Legality question

[Myka]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

There are enough threads on the forum already about the subject.

Ya, but it's all relative to the source.

[phi delt reefer]

myka when i get home i wlll post my emails from the US and Canadian governing bodies for CITES...

they let you go when you were 14 - because you were 14 year old girl lol. They dont make me pay taxes on everything i bring over...its just an imperfect system. honestly you could just say "these are all softies" - bag em up 10 times and its not even going to look like anything online so they will just let it go. This is illegal though so if you get caught be prepared to screw yourself for life everytime you go back to the border.

problem with the cites list is that it lists the ORDER latin name which NONE of us recognize;

Kingdom:AnimaliaPhylum:CnidariaClass:AnthozoaOrder:ScleractiniaFamily:AcroporidaeGenus:Acropora


we are used to Acropora xyz... CITES Appendix two lists the ORDER Scleractinia as Stony Corals requiring CITES export permit. LPS falls into the same order but you can see how they screw us by saying everything under that ORDER is CITES controlled.

the forms for personal use of corals is free and their is no charges. As soon as its for a business be prepared to pay.

[Myka]

Originally Posted by phi delt reefer

...problem with the cites list is that it lists the ORDER latin name

...CITES Appendix two lists the ORDER Scleractinia as Stony Corals requiring CITES export permit.

...the forms for personal use of corals is free and their is no charges. As soon as its for a business be prepared to pay.

Oh I see. Very interesting. That even counts Zoanthids which are often legal to export from countries. Hmm.

Are you saying that there are "personal use" CITIES permits? These are free? I assume they probably take several weeks to get in order? Is this where the whole "can't sell frags" law comes in? I can bring them in, but if I frag it I have to give it away instead of sell. Also very interesting.

[phi delt reefer]

Originally Posted by Myka

Oh I see. Very interesting. That even counts Zoanthids which are often legal to export from countries. Hmm.

Are you saying that there are "personal use" CITIES permits? These are free? I assume they probably take several weeks to get in order? Is this where the whole "can't sell frags" law comes in? I can bring them in, but if I frag it I have to give it away instead of sell. Also very interesting.

yep - if you are just a collector then the cites export permit is free. if you are a retailer then its a different form and you have to pony up some cash.

its legal to export everything but live rock i believe. just need the right permits. fish dont need any permits unless its a controlled species (ie possible extinction or may cause harm to canadian eco system if released)

[msjboy]

from the previous threads, so has anyone actually brought in personal corals with some CITES form then?

I noticed that http://coralfanatics.com/shipping.html does have the ability to ship some corals internationally... does it mean if they provide paperwork of the corals, one can
a) bring it across the border from say a USA post PO box
b) or in what I read, get it in the Fedex mail albeit, expensive shipping.

Also, I know of some plant people who have CITES permits for plants.... do they have the ability to bring in corals for you then?

msjboy

[jorjef]

Originally Posted by msjboy

from the previous threads, so has anyone actually brought in personal corals with some CITES form then?

I noticed that http://coralfanatics.com/shipping.html does have the ability to ship some corals internationally... does it mean if they provide paperwork of the corals, one can
a) bring it across the border from say a USA post PO box
b) or in what I read, get it in the Fedex mail albeit, expensive shipping.

Also, I know of some plant people who have CITES permits for plants.... do they have the ability to bring in corals for you then?

msjboy

Funny this came up. I just asked about a week ago and the reply from Coral Fanatics was there was a $275.00 document charge and $75.00 shipping. I never inquired further on what the document charge covered.

[phi delt reefer]

lol i am not suprised they charged that much. I saw the US form and i didnt feel that any store would go to the hassle of filling it out unless i was going to spend some real money with them.

with that said - US importers buy from the same exporters as our Canadian importers buy from. If your store imports their own corals vs. buying from a local wholesaler you can see if they can bring in some better selection or piggyback off their order for your personal use.

[chandigz]

Originally Posted by Myka

Oh I see. Very interesting. That even counts Zoanthids which are often legal to export from countries. Hmm.

Are you saying that there are "personal use" CITIES permits? These are free? I assume they probably take several weeks to get in order? Is this where the whole "can't sell frags" law comes in? I can bring them in, but if I frag it I have to give it away instead of sell. Also very interesting.

Zoas/palys and softies are none cities. They should be fine as long as they are not attached to a coral based substrate. Only hard corals need cities permits. Any hard corals coming from the states require a re-export permit with a copy of the original export cities permit from the country of origin because the states do not have any of their own coral available for cities export.