I just can't believe this!

[spawn]

1) When was the last Ice age? When is the next one?
2) Iraq, Kuwait, Texas, Gulf of Mexico. The last one is my favorite. D.Y.K that there are enough pipes under all that "water" (prior to the last oopsy daisy) that you could almost walk the bottom from Merida' to Texas straight north without stepping in mud. That is of course if we could breath like our fishies.
3)I grew up on the Island, figures there would be liberal support in regards to the ban. haha

[spawn]

Oh yeah, Wendy is my second wife cause I know when it's real. B.B.D./ J.B.C.

[DiverDude]

The issue is giving TOYS with the meals. No one said the kids menu was going away or anything like that.

The point is that the TOY is what the kids want and the parents put better judgement aside for sake of the toy. While this may sound ridiculous to any decent parent, you'd be amazed how well the toy works in getting families to Mc D's for a Happy Meal.

Underneath all of this is an underlying problem that is not unique to Mc Donalds, or even the fast food industry but extends into many other industries as well -Pharmaceuticals come to mind- where profits (often obscene ones) are put ahead of the well being of the client.

Of course it's your RIGHT to feed your child and yourself whatever you want however since there is so little good judgement out there and the health care costs are out of control as a result, it's governments' responsibility to step in and force industry to stop taking advantage of people who can't take care of themselves.

[Youngster Dan]

Originally Posted by DiverDude

The issue is giving TOYS with the meals. No one said the kids menu was going away or anything like that.

The point is that the TOY is what the kids want and the parents put better judgement aside for sake of the toy. While this may sound ridiculous to any decent parent, you'd be amazed how well the toy works in getting families to Mc D's for a Happy Meal.

Underneath all of this is an underlying problem that is not unique to Mc Donalds, or even the fast food industry but extends into many other industries as well -Pharmaceuticals come to mind- where profits (often obscene ones) are put ahead of the well being of the client.

Of course it's your RIGHT to feed your child and yourself whatever you want however since there is so little good judgement out there and the health care costs are out of control as a result, it's governments' responsibility to step in and force industry to stop taking advantage of people who can't take care of themselves.

It's amazing how when you get the right context things make more sense. Thank you for this.

[globaldesigns]

Originally Posted by DiverDude

The issue is giving TOYS with the meals. No one said the kids menu was going away or anything like that.

The point is that the TOY is what the kids want and the parents put better judgement aside for sake of the toy. While this may sound ridiculous to any decent parent, you'd be amazed how well the toy works in getting families to Mc D's for a Happy Meal.

Underneath all of this is an underlying problem that is not unique to Mc Donalds, or even the fast food industry but extends into many other industries as well -Pharmaceuticals come to mind- where profits (often obscene ones) are put ahead of the well being of the client.

Of course it's your RIGHT to feed your child and yourself whatever you want however since there is so little good judgement out there and the health care costs are out of control as a result, it's governments' responsibility to step in and force industry to stop taking advantage of people who can't take care of themselves.

Yeah, but is that going to stop the mother/father from buying a burger, fries and pop at McD's. Just cause they ban, because of the toy, wont' decrease the sales, they will just have to buy them as seperate items.

Again, very stupid overall.... And what I am trying to get across to people is what right does government have to start banning things like this? And where will it stop? If we, the people don't voice ourselves and say ENOUGH, eventually what will become of our freedoms?

[plutoniumJoe]

I am all for personal freedom and individual rights. But where do one's individual rights stop and mine begin? I don't think that a ban is effective but I think that a substantial tax is warranted. We have other sin taxes for things that have far less social and health risks associated with them than obesity. Here in Canada it will be all of our responsibilities to care for children that have developed poor eating habits because they get hooked on high sodium, high fat, high fructose diets before they became old enough to distinguish for themsleves the benefits of a healthy diet. If unhealthy food cost the user Moore rather than the whole of society maybe people would think about what they were choosing rather than an inexpensive default to not preparing something healthy for their children.

I do not to claim to be without sin but my wife and I make sure that McDs is a rare "treat" and our kids don't crave it.

[globaldesigns]

Originally Posted by plutoniumJoe

I am all for personal freedom and individual rights. But where do one's individual rights stop and mine begin? I don't think that a ban is effective but I think that a substantial tax is warranted. We have other sin taxes for things that have far less social and health risks associated with them than obesity. Here in Canada it will be all of our responsibilities to care for children that have developed poor eating habits because they get hooked on high sodium, high fat, high fructose diets before they became old enough to distinguish for themsleves the benefits of a healthy diet. If unhealthy food cost the user Moore rather than the whole of society maybe people would think about what they were choosing rather than an inexpensive default to not preparing something healthy for their children.

I do not to claim to be without sin but my wife and I make sure that McDs is a rare "treat" and our kids don't crave it.

That is what I like to hear, "RARE Treat"

I am a believer of you can have anything, as long as you don't over indulge in it. Just common sense.

[lorenz0]

Umm, and drugs are illegal why?

Kids shouldn't be fat because their parents choose to feed them rotten ronnies instead of something healthy. Be smart with your kids, end story

[marcingo]

Originally Posted by plutoniumJoe

I am all for personal freedom and individual rights. But where do one's individual rights stop and mine begin? I don't think that a ban is effective but I think that a substantial tax is warranted. We have other sin taxes for things that have far less social and health risks associated with them than obesity. Here in Canada it will be all of our responsibilities to care for children that have developed poor eating habits because they get hooked on high sodium, high fat, high fructose diets before they became old enough to distinguish for themsleves the benefits of a healthy diet. If unhealthy food cost the user Moore rather than the whole of society maybe people would think about what they were choosing rather than an inexpensive default to not preparing something healthy for their children.

I do not to claim to be without sin but my wife and I make sure that McDs is a rare "treat" and our kids don't crave it.

I have the perfect solution to the health care cost problem at least in Canada. NO MORE PUBLIC HEALTHCARE. Make it private. If you want to be stupid and obese that will be your own issue.... Pay for your own medicine... If I want to eat junk food everyday then I should be able to do that and not have a government telling me whats good for me. My parents and I came from a communist country and they were kicked out for fighting for freedom of choice (Solidarity in Poland) and it worked. The all knowing government fell and now people can do as they wish. If governments know whats best for us then I guess the Russians should listen to theirs which just recently told them smoke and drink more to help your country (incidentally they had raised the taxes on cigarrettes not too long before the comment)... If I become a burden on the healthcare system because of it CHARGE me or let me die.

Once you start taking choices away from people and they accept it you will try to take more to further your cause until they finally fight back. My parents werent allowed to buy Levis jeans in the 80s in Poland because they were bad for you too. I guess oranges and bananas were bad for you too because the government wouldnt let them be imported. (Except for the extremely wealthy or politically influential commys.)

Just my 02 cent

[DiverDude]

Ricky, Ricky.....they're not banning the Happy meal -all they're saying is stop using toys as 'kiddie crack'. The Happy meal isn't going anywhere -but it won't have a toy in it anymore.

Plus, while you argue that won't stop people currently buying Happy Meals, new kids are being born all the time and maybe if there's no toy, they won't be so drawn to START eating Happy Meals (and that's what Micky D is worried about).

Besides, like I said before, this goes way beyond burgers. Booze, smokes, drugs (prescription and recreational), Starbucks.....these are all things that, when consumed to excess, create problems. Problems for the consumer and society as a whole (through costs to the healthcare system). Yet these are all legal (except perhaps the recreational drugs but work with me here !).

And even if it DID step on someone's 'rights' somewhere, would you rather have an obese kid with his 'rights' in tact and in the hospital at age 12 for bariatric surgery (you wanna know how many tax dollars one of THOSE costs ?); or a relatively healthy kid with his nose 'out-of-joint' because there are no toys in a Happy Meal ?

I'm not in favour of losing civil liberties, but we have more liberties than we need and WAY more than we can handle. You want to censure the vote or tell me how many children I can have -we'll be talking ! But toys in some corporate giant's meal boxes !? Pffft..... we all have better things to do.

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