Everyones an expert

[dabandit]

Dont take my word for it heres a link. Im not saying adding the nitrate is wrong I am saying overstocking is wrong for obvious reasons I cant believe any of you are arguing this.You want more info telling you there is a safer way just let me know.http://en.allexperts.com/q/freshwate...ted-tank-1.htm oops crappy link,type cyano into the sites search bar should be the first one that comes up,experts name is Nick.

Cheers

[dabandit]

All research i've read says that though cyano can convert it needs to be in a phosphorus rich environment. Like I said remove phosphates/nitrates problem solved remove detrious/increase flow problem stays gone. I'm not trying to start a ****ing contest here just defending my statements. Are these facts not true,they came from your data? Maybe Im reading this wrong

[Samw]

I think the issue is that you accused people of things they didn't do. No one gave advice to overstock the tank and no one gave advice to add phosphates and no one gave advice to use tap water. Yet you are accusing people of that. Here are the posts from the other thread that you are arguing about. The claims that you made about what people said (overstock a tank, add phosphate, use tap water) are not found in these posts and in the thread. And I don't think anyone actually said to add nitrate. They simply made a statement about what is one possible cause of cyano (low nitrate). I think the posts were fairly responsible actually.

Originally Posted by NewGuy

Erythromycin is the active ingrediant in Maracyn and its an antibiotic that people take all the time. I had the same problem in my tank and Maracyn clears it up in a day or two. No need to treat for more than that, just follow the instructions on the box as if you are gonna treat an infection. Maracyn will kill off alot of the beneficial bacteria so be prepared for ammonia spikes and additional water changes. Also, just because the Maracyn kills the bacteria doesnt it goes away. You still have to scoop all that green slime out or it will rot and ruin the water. At first it might look like the maracyn didnt work since its still super thick but you will notice that it does not grow back.

Cyanobacteria could be due to poor water flow and super LOW nitrates (not high) the opposite for most algae. It is also a general indicator that your water is dirty.

Originally Posted by Fishaholic

Agreed - it seems to be due to low nitrates - understocked / startup tanks usually get it. I have a 10 gallon with this problem currently. Frequent water changes just seem to accelerate the growth (Overnight!)

[midgetwaiter]

The problem with the advice dished out on that thread is not that it is wrong exactly but that it is fragmentary and therefore open to bad interpretation. This guys problem isn't really that he has too little nitrate, it is that he has to little nitrogen relative to the amount of phosphate, as made clear in samw's google results. You can fix this problem by either increasing nitrogen (nitrate or ammonia) or decreasing phosphate to get back to a good balance for plant growth. The plants will out compete the cyano and it will die, I imagine everyone can agree that is true.

The problem with I find with internet posts is often the brevity, this is what leads to the bad interpretations. Poster A says "I heard somewhere that you have to increase nitrate". Advice seeker says "How"? Poster B says "Add more fish". = Bad advice.

IMO, it all goes back to the first couple of posts usually. You get a quick put poorly explained bit of info and even if it is technically correct you then get a stampede of supposition and bad interpretation. I think if people took more time with their posts and made an effort to explain things more fully we'd avoid a lot of this stuff.

I don't mean to attack the community for the way we do things either. I dish out aquarium advice for a living, nobody knows better than me that it can be difficult to do well. If somebody came in and asked me this question I could easily spend 20 minutes talking about macro nutrients and the N:P:K balance and it's a comparatively simple subject. This would lead them to walking away shaking their head and maybe retaining a tenth of what I had to say. That would also amount to bad advice and it's something I tend to do sometimes.

All research i've read says that though cyano can convert it needs to be in a phosphorus rich environment. Like I said remove phosphates/nitrates problem solved remove detrious/increase flow problem stays gone. I'm not trying to start a ****ing contest here just defending my statements. Are these facts not true,they came from your data? Maybe Im reading this wrong

Your info isn't wrong it's just incomplete.

[dabandit]

Originally Posted by Samw

I think the issue is that you accused people of things they didn't do. No one gave advice to overstock the tank and no one gave advice to add phosphates and no one gave advice to use tap water. Yet you are accusing people of that. Here are the posts from the other thread that you are arguing about. The claims that you made about what people said (overstock a tank, add phosphate, use tap water) are not found in these posts and in the thread. And I don't think anyone actually said to add nitrate. They simply made a statement about what is one possible cause of cyano (low nitrate). I think the posts were fairly responsible actually.

Sure those two arent bad,now wheres the ones I was talking about lol? I believe there was over 30 posts in that thread. Two of which said add more fish and at least one said do more water changes,infact the post you have highlighted was a response to the guy who said do more waterchanges. I've been talking via pm's also on that site. So no the issue isnt me accusing people of saying things they didnt. The issue is people like you getting off the issue and turning this into a friggin competion. I have yet to hear someone say that I'm wrong or that theres is the BEST,SAFEST method for a beginner to try period

[Samw]

Originally Posted by dabandit

Sure those two arent bad,now wheres the ones I was talking about lol? I believe there was over 30 posts in that thread. Two of which said add more fish and at least one said do more water changes,infact the post you have highlighted was a response to the guy who said do more waterchanges. I've been talking via pm's also on that site. So no the issue isnt me accusing people of saying things they didnt. The issue is people like you getting off the issue and turning this into a friggin competion. I have yet to hear someone say that I'm wrong or that theres is the BEST,SAFEST method for a beginner to try period

Oh, so I'm the problem now. I thought the issue was about people giving bad advice which if it didn't occur, can't be the issue. Maybe I read the wrong thread. Are we talking about this one?

http://www.bcaquaria.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16159

We can't read what advice was sent to your PM's so all we have to go by is what's in that thread.

[Samw]

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[fishoholic]

FYI the fishAholic that Samw pulled a quote from, from the other forum is not me. I know no one said it was, but just in case you were wondering. Besides I'm fishOholic

[sphelps]

dabandit, you need to realize that when it comes to forums you have the same credibility as the rest of us which is basically nothing. Continuous good behavior and reputable posts may increase this slightly but only to those that notice. Acting childish and defensive will have the opposite effect.

It's one thing to give your opinion and continue to back it with useful information but instantly turning blatantly defensive, not stating anymore information, and simply saying you have scientific facts or data will never help your argument here or likely on any other forum.

If I knew nothing about cyano and was using this thread for information I would personally disregard everything you said. In the end if false information is provided the majority will disagree and just because something does or doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it will do the same for someone else.

If you still disagree maybe try RC, maybe people will side with you there

[dabandit]

I give up. I've offered facts and opinions trying to show people there is a safer equally effective way. Now I look like a childish idiot chasing my tail answering posts that have nothing to do with anything. Enough!!!! anyone acctually wants to talk about the topic come find me.