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[superduperwesman]

Originally Posted by dabandit

Dude I keep fresh water planted tanks for 12 years and have scientific facts to prove me right. Show me your data,you seriouslly believe that overstocking a tank will cure cyano? better yet do you believe this is best way to go about it? Believe me if I didnt know what I was talking about I wouldnt say a damn thing.
Are you saying im wrong?

ahaha I love it... here we go again with the "are you calling me a liar? Like seriously dude I've been on this earth for 12 years I think I know what I'm talking about, and if you don't believe me ask my dad." ahahah

The 12 year old: Are you calling me a liar?

Other person: I don't know... are you calling me a liar?

The 12 year old: I wouldn't say anything if I didn't think it was right

Other Person: Ditto

The 12 year old: I have scientific facts

Other person: Ditto

The 12 year old: Show me your facts

Other person: Ditto

I mean if you want to argue at the very least try and go about it in a more productive way... just because you threaten someone with the terrible idea of calling you a liar your point isn't anymore proven.

And if you want to get technical... when people disagree they are technically calling you a liar and the are calling you wrong... get over it and carry on the discussion so you, or possibly they, can learn something.

[dabandit]

Originally Posted by superduperwesman

ahaha I love it... here we go again with the "are you calling me a liar? Like seriously dude I've been on this earth for 12 years I think I know what I'm talking about, and if you don't believe me ask my dad." ahahah

The 12 year old: Are you calling me a liar?

Other person: I don't know... are you calling me a liar?

The 12 year old: I wouldn't say anything if I didn't think it was right

Other Person: Ditto

The 12 year old: I have scientific facts

Other person: Ditto

The 12 year old: Show me your facts

Other person: Ditto

I mean if you want to argue at the very least try and go about it in a more productive way... just because you threaten someone with the terrible idea of calling you a liar your point isn't anymore proven.

And if you want to get technical... when people disagree they are technically calling you a liar and the are calling you wrong... get over it and carry on the discussion so you, or possibly they, can learn something.

Where are you getting this? I'm asking if he thinks my method is wrong,and asking for his info so that I can learn. I was also offering to give my info if he wanted. The problem with the internet is you can interpret me anyway you want,I'm pretty sure your taking me the wrong way. I don't know why I bother.
P.S I'm a grown man lol

[ElGuappo]

I LOVE IT. hmmm what oh i have been swimming in raw sewage all day "I LOVE IT"

LT frank Drebin.

[dabandit]

Dont take my word for it heres a link. Im not saying adding the nitrate is wrong I am saying overstocking is wrong for obvious reasons I cant believe any of you are arguing this.You want more info telling you there is a safer way just let me know.http://en.allexperts.com/q/freshwate...ted-tank-1.htm oops crappy link,type cyano into the sites search bar should be the first one that comes up,experts name is Nick.

Cheers

[dabandit]

All research i've read says that though cyano can convert it needs to be in a phosphorus rich environment. Like I said remove phosphates/nitrates problem solved remove detrious/increase flow problem stays gone. I'm not trying to start a ****ing contest here just defending my statements. Are these facts not true,they came from your data? Maybe Im reading this wrong

[Samw]

I think the issue is that you accused people of things they didn't do. No one gave advice to overstock the tank and no one gave advice to add phosphates and no one gave advice to use tap water. Yet you are accusing people of that. Here are the posts from the other thread that you are arguing about. The claims that you made about what people said (overstock a tank, add phosphate, use tap water) are not found in these posts and in the thread. And I don't think anyone actually said to add nitrate. They simply made a statement about what is one possible cause of cyano (low nitrate). I think the posts were fairly responsible actually.

Originally Posted by NewGuy

Erythromycin is the active ingrediant in Maracyn and its an antibiotic that people take all the time. I had the same problem in my tank and Maracyn clears it up in a day or two. No need to treat for more than that, just follow the instructions on the box as if you are gonna treat an infection. Maracyn will kill off alot of the beneficial bacteria so be prepared for ammonia spikes and additional water changes. Also, just because the Maracyn kills the bacteria doesnt it goes away. You still have to scoop all that green slime out or it will rot and ruin the water. At first it might look like the maracyn didnt work since its still super thick but you will notice that it does not grow back.

Cyanobacteria could be due to poor water flow and super LOW nitrates (not high) the opposite for most algae. It is also a general indicator that your water is dirty.

Originally Posted by Fishaholic

Agreed - it seems to be due to low nitrates - understocked / startup tanks usually get it. I have a 10 gallon with this problem currently. Frequent water changes just seem to accelerate the growth (Overnight!)

[dabandit]

Originally Posted by Samw

I think the issue is that you accused people of things they didn't do. No one gave advice to overstock the tank and no one gave advice to add phosphates and no one gave advice to use tap water. Yet you are accusing people of that. Here are the posts from the other thread that you are arguing about. The claims that you made about what people said (overstock a tank, add phosphate, use tap water) are not found in these posts and in the thread. And I don't think anyone actually said to add nitrate. They simply made a statement about what is one possible cause of cyano (low nitrate). I think the posts were fairly responsible actually.

Sure those two arent bad,now wheres the ones I was talking about lol? I believe there was over 30 posts in that thread. Two of which said add more fish and at least one said do more water changes,infact the post you have highlighted was a response to the guy who said do more waterchanges. I've been talking via pm's also on that site. So no the issue isnt me accusing people of saying things they didnt. The issue is people like you getting off the issue and turning this into a friggin competion. I have yet to hear someone say that I'm wrong or that theres is the BEST,SAFEST method for a beginner to try period

[fishoholic]

FYI the fishAholic that Samw pulled a quote from, from the other forum is not me. I know no one said it was, but just in case you were wondering. Besides I'm fishOholic

[midgetwaiter]

The problem with the advice dished out on that thread is not that it is wrong exactly but that it is fragmentary and therefore open to bad interpretation. This guys problem isn't really that he has too little nitrate, it is that he has to little nitrogen relative to the amount of phosphate, as made clear in samw's google results. You can fix this problem by either increasing nitrogen (nitrate or ammonia) or decreasing phosphate to get back to a good balance for plant growth. The plants will out compete the cyano and it will die, I imagine everyone can agree that is true.

The problem with I find with internet posts is often the brevity, this is what leads to the bad interpretations. Poster A says "I heard somewhere that you have to increase nitrate". Advice seeker says "How"? Poster B says "Add more fish". = Bad advice.

IMO, it all goes back to the first couple of posts usually. You get a quick put poorly explained bit of info and even if it is technically correct you then get a stampede of supposition and bad interpretation. I think if people took more time with their posts and made an effort to explain things more fully we'd avoid a lot of this stuff.

I don't mean to attack the community for the way we do things either. I dish out aquarium advice for a living, nobody knows better than me that it can be difficult to do well. If somebody came in and asked me this question I could easily spend 20 minutes talking about macro nutrients and the N:P:K balance and it's a comparatively simple subject. This would lead them to walking away shaking their head and maybe retaining a tenth of what I had to say. That would also amount to bad advice and it's something I tend to do sometimes.

All research i've read says that though cyano can convert it needs to be in a phosphorus rich environment. Like I said remove phosphates/nitrates problem solved remove detrious/increase flow problem stays gone. I'm not trying to start a ****ing contest here just defending my statements. Are these facts not true,they came from your data? Maybe Im reading this wrong

Your info isn't wrong it's just incomplete.