Zeovit vs. Fauna Marin

[Aqua-Digital]

I just sent you a couple of 10grams of free fauna food in a stash bag didnt I

What more could you ask for, free smellies in the post for your fish to enjoy and worry the hell out of the postman why his mail bag now smells of high grade fish oils

[steve fedyk]

I just started using Zeovit on 120G and like the progress so far. Thanks for the cost calulations of the 2 bio media.

[OceanicCorals-Ian-]

Originally Posted by steve fedyk

I just started using Zeovit on 120G and like the progress so far. Thanks for the cost calulations of the 2 bio media.

No problem!

[Ya Dude]

why do people pay so much for vinegar and bacteria?and why add 1 drop of Zeobak when theres already supposed to be a bazillion bacterias living.

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by Ya Dude

why do people pay so much for vinegar and bacteria?and why add 1 drop of Zeobak when theres already supposed to be a bazillion bacterias living.

Mostly cause they want nicer tanks =)

The issue has been addressed and validated since many moons ago. Bacterial driven systems, as in those which extend beyond Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter, have long achieved standing as legitimate, highly successful methods of recreating super low nutrient environments not possible through other means.

VSV methods have achieved results, but many would rather opt for the convenience and peace of mind that comes with a retail product. Metaphorically, you could liken it to eating out instead of cooking at home... Or something like that, haw haw.

[Fauna Marin]

Hi Guys

If i read this this postings my meaning is that a some people have big issues that we have success on the market and started to create a war of words against FM stuff.

Iám not here to discuss which company is better or not. We have our
ideas create our own products and on many parts of reef keeping we are leaders in developtment like food for Azoo corals , Fish and special corals
We also create a slight different system to a well know competitor but we did not only make a ULNS System.
The most of our costumers changed to our system and did not make a lot of words on it they only use it the most with success others not.
Like in every system

It is not difficult for me to create a extrem products to increase fast and extrem corals i only need to put some metals like copper in my products like other do and in 2 days you corals glow and your algeas gone.
Everyone looks only on some pictures and think all will gone easy but nobody talks on hundreds chrashed tanks.

Do not missunderstood me i like what my competitor do without competitiors no better ideas and no changing and that is important for the success that we all want to have.
We go a little bit different way like the others do and that all
Even like some friends of each system means to do a good work if they make the other company bad.
I dont think so !!!!

As i said a long time before
Reefkeeping is like cooking you can have the best foods , the best kitchen, the best manuals ,but without feeling no meal will be good

My company is younger then others on the market but the most of you uses products which i developed severals years ago for other brands during my time when i work in other companys. so i know what i produced and how i test the products.
Other company are much longer on the market and had more time for service , Forums, dealers and others so give me a chance and did not think i had to do all in a few weeks where others needs 6 and more years.!!!


@ Powertec
I have no idea which is your name so if you send me an PM i can see and have a change to react on your questions but without name no way for me


For any others
write me an mail and i will help asap i can
greets claude

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by Fauna Marin

Hi Guys

If i read this this postings my meaning is that a some people have big issues that we have success on the market and started to create a war of words against FM stuff.

Iám not here to discuss which company is better or not. We have our
ideas create our own products and on many parts of reef keeping we are leaders in developtment like food for Azoo corals , Fish and special corals
We also create a slight different system to a well know competitor but we did not only make a ULNS System.
The most of our costumers changed to our system and did not make a lot of words on it they only use it the most with success others not.
Like in every system

It is not difficult for me to create a extrem products to increase fast and extrem corals i only need to put some metals like copper in my products like other do and in 2 days you corals glow and your algeas gone.
Everyone looks only on some pictures and think all will gone easy but nobody talks on hundreds chrashed tanks.

Do not missunderstood me i like what my competitor do without competitiors no better ideas and no changing and that is important for the success that we all want to have.
We go a little bit different way like the others do and that all
Even like some friends of each system means to do a good work if they make the other company bad.
I dont think so !!!!

As i said a long time before
Reefkeeping is like cooking you can have the best foods , the best kitchen, the best manuals ,but without feeling no meal will be good

My company is younger then others on the market but the most of you uses products which i developed severals years ago for other brands during my time when i work in other companys. so i know what i produced and how i test the products.
Other company are much longer on the market and had more time for service , Forums, dealers and others so give me a chance and did not think i had to do all in a few weeks where others needs 6 and more years.!!!


@ Powertec
I have no idea which is your name so if you send me an PM i can see and have a change to react on your questions but without name no way for me


For any others
write me an mail and i will help asap i can
greets claude

Title of the thread is Zeovit vs. Fauna Marin.

By default, you've just made harsh, unsubstantiated accusations against Korallen Zucht.

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by albert_dao

The issue has been addressed and validated since many moons ago. Bacterial driven systems, as in those which extend beyond Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter, have long achieved standing as legitimate, highly successful methods of recreating super low nutrient environments not possible through other means.

I am not sure what you are saying here, is it that using this additives (which ever flavor you want) is the only way to achieve a low nutrient system? or that by using these systems it is proven to have long term success?

from what I have been seeing and reading neither statement is accurate unless your a sales man trying to sell products.

1) there are plenty of ways to create nutrient free systems with basic equipment and no additives, and they have had amazing and long term success and are easy to do.

2) show me a long term success with Zeo or what ever? its only been here for a couple years how can you call that long term? and I don't care what there doing in Germany or Japan, as I have said before I am German, and have been there several times... So is VW and that doesn't spell quality either. German stuff is the same as Canadian stuff, some good, some crap and a bit awesome. how about some long term success tanks right here in Canada that is all because of Zeo or what ever?

I don't know why I read these sometimes, but I get so &*^% off at the "you can't have a nice tank with out using" sales pitches that are blatant lies because you can have just as nice of a tank with less work.


Ok I will stop my rant over and Merry Christmas to all. got to go play santa now

Steve

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I am not sure what you are saying here, is it that using this additives (which ever flavor you want) is the only way to achieve a low nutrient system? or that by using these systems it is proven to have long term success?

from what I have been seeing and reading neither statement is accurate unless your a sales man trying to sell products.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. There's a big difference between achieving low nutrient via chemical media filtration and probiotic. For one, I KNOW I can dump a full canister of flake into my SPS tank and now have a brown out or disasterous drop in ORP. Would I ever do this? No, but it lends credibility to the resilience of the system.

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

1) there are plenty of ways to create nutrient free systems with basic equipment and no additives, and they have had amazing and long term success and are easy to do.

Yeah, and power to the people who care to use them. You don't need to use Kershaw or Henkel knives to cut your food, but I do and I'd never go back.

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

2) show me a long term success with Zeo or what ever? its only been here for a couple years how can you call that long term? and I don't care what there doing in Germany or Japan, as I have said before I am German, and have been there several times... So is VW and that doesn't spell quality either. German stuff is the same as Canadian stuff, some good, some crap and a bit awesome. how about some long term success tanks right here in Canada that is all because of Zeo or what ever?

Look for Iwan's tank. It's fairly well know and had been set up for some time before he upgraded to a larger, even more mack-daddy tank, which has also been running long term. No offense to everyone who doesn't run probiotic, but his tank, and many others utilizing probiotic put many of the so-called iconic tanks to shame. Hard. But that's strictly an opinion and should be taken as such.

Zeo, VSV, Prodibio, etc have a limited pool of selection here in Canada because of the relatively high learning curve and formerly high costs associated with them. This is changing and, just like in the States (namely Cali), I expect to see a very pronouced movement towards this type of methodology. I'm including the use of VSV (vinegar, sugar, vodka) under this claim since the fundamentals are the same.

But I digress. For Canadians, check out Snappy's tank. Greg (correct me if I'm wrong man) has been a longtime user of Reefresh, a probiotic system developed by Polylabs. I, along with a great deal many others, have had the pleasure of seeing his system firsthand. It is worthy of every bit of praise and attention it receives worldwide.

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

I don't know why I read these sometimes, but I get so &*^% off at the "you can't have a nice tank with out using" sales pitches that are blatant lies because you can have just as nice of a tank with less work.

Is this a personal attack? Cause calling me a liar, a BLATANT liar, seems like one. I was under that impression that moderators are here to prevent this sort of behavior.

If you are uncomfortable with people saying that there are different ways of doing things, that's fine. But expect that people are going to start treating your opinions as absent rheotorical, just as you seem to have made up your mind about my opinions.

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

Ok I will stop my rant over and Merry Christmas to all. got to go play santa now

Steve

No more EGGNOG for you...

[Aqua-Digital]

Originally Posted by StirCrazy

2) show me a long term success with Zeo or what ever? its only been here for a couple years how can you call that long term? and I don't care what there doing in Germany or Japan, as I have said before I am German, and have been there several times... So is VW and that doesn't spell quality either. German stuff is the same as Canadian stuff, some good, some crap and a bit awesome. how about some long term success tanks right here in Canada that is all because of Zeo or what ever?

Well the real facts are LNF systems have been around for over 10 years, with many tanks in Europe employing this highly successful system (s)

If you want to look for long term success, just spend an hour scrolling through the German boards, you will find multiple LNF systems

Just because a product has not been in North America that long does not mean either it does not work or is new and should be overlooked like some sort of alien, North America seems to be the last place on earth to embrace new ideas in this hobby and I think a lot of that comes from the unwillingness to go outside a set comfort zone.

Whether you use Fauna or zeo or what ever they are all proven to work and when used as directed produce results that really cant be acheived in any other way. It is then up to the interested party to embrace this or bury our heads back in the sand hoping it will go away so we can get back to our comfort zone.

Yes you can have a nice tank without using these systems, but you also can have a much more vibrant healthy and colourful tank when using them. You need to understand the concept first I guess to understand this. You are removing all unnatural pollutants from the tank and replacing with the exact aminos bacterias and trace elements found in the wild, so providing a natural enviroment, well this is how fauna works and I think zeo is not far different, they just employ different dosing strategies and a few different concepts.

Merry christmas one and all