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10-10-2008, 05:22 AM
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The issue has been addressed and validated since many moons ago. Bacterial driven systems, as in those which extend beyond Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter, have long achieved standing as legitimate, highly successful methods of recreating super low nutrient environments not possible through other means. VSV methods have achieved results, but many would rather opt for the convenience and peace of mind that comes with a retail product. Metaphorically, you could liken it to eating out instead of cooking at home... Or something like that, haw haw.
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10-10-2008, 07:37 AM
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If i read this this postings my meaning is that a some people have big issues that we have success on the market and started to create a war of words against FM stuff. Iám not here to discuss which company is better or not. We have our ideas create our own products and on many parts of reef keeping we are leaders in developtment like food for Azoo corals , Fish and special corals We also create a slight different system to a well know competitor but we did not only make a ULNS System. The most of our costumers changed to our system and did not make a lot of words on it they only use it the most with success others not. Like in every system It is not difficult for me to create a extrem products to increase fast and extrem corals i only need to put some metals like copper in my products like other do and in 2 days you corals glow and your algeas gone. Everyone looks only on some pictures and think all will gone easy but nobody talks on hundreds chrashed tanks. Do not missunderstood me i like what my competitor do without competitiors no better ideas and no changing and that is important for the success that we all want to have. We go a little bit different way like the others do and that all Even like some friends of each system means to do a good work if they make the other company bad. I dont think so !!!! As i said a long time before Reefkeeping is like cooking you can have the best foods , the best kitchen, the best manuals ,but without feeling no meal will be good My company is younger then others on the market but the most of you uses products which i developed severals years ago for other brands during my time when i work in other companys. so i know what i produced and how i test the products. Other company are much longer on the market and had more time for service , Forums, dealers and others so give me a chance and did not think i had to do all in a few weeks where others needs 6 and more years.!!! @ Powertec I have no idea which is your name so if you send me an PM i can see and have a change to react on your questions but without name no way for me For any others write me an mail and i will help asap i can greets claude
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10-10-2008, 02:55 PM
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By default, you've just made harsh, unsubstantiated accusations against Korallen Zucht.
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10-10-2008, 03:09 PM
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Do not missunderstood me i like what my competitor do !
That is my real meaning so you missunderstood me . sorry for that my english is not as well to write it on that way that all can understand correctly how i mean it greets claude
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10-10-2008, 03:09 PM
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Claude is merely defending his company from comments within this thread which he is entitled to do, espcially under the pressure that is clearly being waged on the new kid on the block. This actually gives me great relief as the FM product is being taken very seriously.
No I dont expect stacks of people to come on here and rave about the FM system as it is relatively new, but given time as the user base spreads which it is very fast now with Claudes and my own user support, then in 6 months the debate will become more balanced, but even then as a company both FM and myself will never say one is better than the other, different maybe, but not better. Each has its own merits dependant on what the user wishes to acheive. So lets get on track and discuss the merits of both systems and please everyone drop all this "my system is better than your system" talk. Constructive positive PLEASE. Nothing is ever gained from negative marketing, ever. Last edited by Aqua-Digital; 10-10-2008 at 03:14 PM.
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10-10-2008, 03:19 PM
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I was under the impression that the first and second criticisms were both constructive.
Sorry Michael, but you cannot just sweep corroborated opinions under the rug and tag them as negative marketing. Here's the quote that bothers me: Quote:
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12-25-2008, 06:19 AM
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\ You told me to pm you, I have done this three times, and still no reply. You should know who I am from the Ultralith forum and you sent me pm on there as well when i first brought this to your attention.
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10-10-2008, 03:21 PM
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I Typically do not like chiming into these threads as they get too heated.
I'm a huge supporter of ULNS I don't care if your with FM or Zeo. I do not think Claude was attacking Zeo, if you read his post without bias you will see he was just explaining the differences in the system. English not being Claude first language may give him some difficulties expressing himself as eloquently as he could have in German. Let keep this thread going with out getting too emotional. So far so good J
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10-10-2008, 03:37 PM
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Albert I try to explain this words I mean that my first thing is to create a system where everybody can use it without have issues even when it will be overdosed As sample Wodka methode an idea from a german friend of mine i have a lot of critic to him why he published this methode and he also not understand me. it is not the system byself which is dangerous it is extrem difficult to find the right dosing for each tank with this methods so hundreds of tanks crashed it is not the mistake of the product byself this can!! work but it is to dangerous for a lot of users. the same with different products on the market or my own some are easy to use some are difficult and you need a lot of feeling to create with them good results. What i mean is that it is sometimes not as difficult to create extrem stuff which works fast and great but you ever must see the long time effect which such products will have and this is in my opinion one of the most important things which an producer have to think. So we write on the most products all ingredients and we did not work with extrem stuff like as sample high copper dosings. Ok the results are then lower but also safer. Only a different way that all I hope now is better to understand my meaning Greets from germany :-)
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