You get what you pay for?! A marketing hype or a reality?

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

So, it was a better choice for you at that time but not now. Hence it might not be a better choice for someone else for now a.k.a paying for high end fixture doesn't necessarily mean its bound to work for you. In context to your comment, here's my point:

"highend stuffs may do a good job and cheap stuffs may also do a good job; paying for higher priced equipment is no shortcut to a successful reef and doesn't necessarily mean you are paying for the best choice and successful reef is possible with low end fixtures".

my friend , i think you should read a little and maybe think about it before posting and heres why.....

you dont understand what im saying and prob what most others are saying, all you hear is " you paid how much". while i could have kept my radion pros im not sure how 2 radons can light up 11ft of tank?? ( 2 x 5 1/2 ft systems) and i dont think they are a good fit both in regards to sps colors im trying to aquire and to photography, can i ask what did you find with your led light in regards to both? maybe im missing something lol

my reason for leaving leds has nothing to do with " x " amount of dollars vs " xxx " amount of dollars or i wouldnt of bought the pros lol being high end or low end had nothing to do with it i think you got your facts completely mixed up and backwards.

again all i see is a " i hate high end stuffs " thread that has no direction at all lol



care to explain?

[Madreefer]

Originally Posted by reefwars

my friend , i think you should read a little and maybe think about it before posting and heres why.....

That's what the problem is here. More reading than experience mixed with back peddling. Unsubscribed

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by reefwars

my friend , i think you should read a little and maybe think about it before posting and heres why.....

you dont understand what im saying and prob what most others are saying, all you hear is " you paid how much". while i could have kept my radion pros im not sure how 2 radons can light up 11ft of tank?? ( 2 x 5 1/2 ft systems) and i dont think they are a good fit both in regards to sps colors im trying to aquire and to photography, can i ask what did you find with your led light in regards to both? maybe im missing something lol

my reason for leaving leds has nothing to do with " x " amount of dollars vs " xxx " amount of dollars or i wouldnt of bought the pros lol being high end or low end had nothing to do with it i think you got your facts completely mixed up and backwards.

again all i see is a " i hate high end stuffs " thread that has no direction at all lol

care to explain?

Ok so basically this is how the thread went:

Step 1: I opened up a thread saying which stuffs I prefer to spend my money and which I don't and I believe you dont always get what you pay for.

Step 2: I keep on saying that there are people who strongly believe that you pay what you get for and they insist that nothing is achievable by low-end fixture

Step 3: Apparently, everything gets concluded as "rant for high end stuffs"

Denny, my point has been from the very beginning of the thread (with some diversion) is that "you don't always get what you pay for". I don't know where it is so hard to understand. It is not always about the money but about what you are going to be successful with. Since we are on LEDs, let me bring on example up. Many people have success with AI and many have success with radions. There you go: the complete spectrum! And few weeks ago regarding an LED, someone keeps on pointing out that you should go for "HIGH END FIXTURE" to have success. That's my rant. Disprove me if you may! Success can be achieved by all means and cannot be judged by how many high end stuffs you have. As simple as that: that's my whole point. You are the kind of guy who gives all sort of option irrespective of price. I still remember you saying "odyssea should be fine on your tank" instead of saying "thats complete crap; change it asap or you won't be able to grow anything". I have dealt with you too many times than anyone here and you have never judged (atleast not for my purchases) on the money but rather than the actual quality.

And funny how the so called "experience" play around the game. When a guy who talks about how high end stuffs may not always work for you, thats total crap, must have experience before talking and "back peddling" but when a guy comes forth saying "hey don't buy that, I "heard" they can burn down your house", experience doesn't matter and that's rock solid advice right there. What can I say

[jorjef]

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by jorjef

I knew you would return

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

Success can be achieved by all means and cannot be judged by how many high end stuffs you have

But you assume that success is the only motivation in selection of item. It isn't. I choose my controller for ease of tank management. I choose it for it's form factor and interface. I choose it for it's programming model.
My LEDs were selected for how they would look as an overall part of the tank design in the main room of my house. AI Sols have a very nice design and fit well with the theme of my tank.
I choose pumps for how quiet they are, how easy they are to clean and how convenient spare parts are to acquire.
Each piece of equipment has far many more criteria for selection than "will I be successful".
And with these considerations, I find, that in most situations pertaining to my tank and my wallet, I got exactly what I paid for. And none of it has anything to do with how successful it will make me in reef keeping. I have a knack for growing SPS and could probably be successful with a proverbial stick and a blanket. The value of my purchases goes far beyond that.

I too wonder what the hell you're going on about. I think your line of reasoning is very narrow minded and you're arguing in a circle. The best success in reef keeping is being happy with how you've proceeded in the journey. Enjoy your tank, or don't. Stop arguing over something that doesn't have a winning side.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

But you assume that success is the only motivation in selection of item. It isn't. I choose my controller for ease of tank management. I choose it for it's form factor and interface. I choose it for it's programming model.
My LEDs were selected for how they would look as an overall part of the tank design in the main room of my house. AI Sols have a very nice design and fit well with the theme of my tank.
I choose pumps for how quiet they are, how easy they are to clean and how convenient spare parts are to acquire.
Each piece of equipment has far many more criteria for selection than "will I be successful".
And with these considerations, I find, that in most situations pertaining to my tank and my wallet, I got exactly what I paid for. And none of it has anything to do with how successful it will make me in reef keeping. I have a knack for growing SPS and could probably be successful with a proverbial stick and a blanket. The value of my purchases goes far beyond that.

I too wonder what the hell you're going on about. I think your line of reasoning is very narrow minded and you're arguing in a circle. The best success in reef keeping is being happy with how you've proceeded in the journey. Enjoy your tank, or don't. Stop arguing over something that doesn't have a winning side.

This will not be a winning side. And I am going in circle because I just have one point to prove over here and nothing else It just ****es me off when I ask for an advice on an equipment and someone comes forth and say "don't buy that, because you get what you pay for". Well if it suits me, I buy it, I don't like things being judged by money: because that's sets by some companies out there on their own analysis.

In the end, all it matters is what you wrote (pointed in bold). If you can afford expensive stuffs, do it. If someone can't, don't push it on him/her. I couldn't afford an expensive fixture earlier but now I can; I know how it feels when someone judge you on that. A person who started with all the good stuffs won't understand; I should have known that

I will stop now....have had enough fun. Cheers!

[Aquattro]

Often the person "judging" is simply giving good advice in the wrong way. I was just outside talking to my Border Collie about this, and as you know, they're pretty smart.
He pointed out the BBQ. Let me tell you about my BBQ journey. I like to eat meat. A lot. So some years ago, I decided to buy a BBQ. I'm cheap when it comes to things like that, so I went to crappy tire and bought the season end floor model for $79. No assembly required!!
I took it home (had to buy a tank on the way home) and fired it up. Cooked me a burger that was delicious. It was the best BBQ burger in the history of burgers. Overall, a very successful BBQ. But as time passed, I realized I couldn't cook a lot of burgers, and it got to hot to cook fish, and it rusted up after a couple seasons. It was an eyesore. But it was mine, and could still cook a successful burger.
One day I was out shopping and came across a shiny stainless BBQ. $500!!! But it has 4 burner controls, radiant heating, side burners, digital displays, etc. And it looks nice!
I bought it, took it home (came with everything I needed including tank) and fired it up. Yup, another epic burger. It was delicious. Montreal steak spice really rocks a burger. It was no better than the old BBQ burger though. Equally successful at cooking burgers.
But, and here's the value added part. It can cook lots of burgers Like a dozen or more at a time. I can bake a salmon, or cook a roast. And I can boil corn on the side and keep it all warm until everything it done. It's shiny, did I mention that?? It's still shiny, and when I walk by and see it on my deck, I like it. I like that I have a nicer than crap $79 sale BBQ. It impresses my BBQ friends. It rocks, it rolls. It sings and dances. I love my BBQ. Best damn $500 I ever spent.
Now, this is the point where I got what I paid for. I paid for consumer satisfaction, that my BBQ, in addition to successfully cooking burgers, can do so much more. It makes me happy. 2 years later, I'm still happy. I still love my BBQ. I don't envy other BBQs and don't wish I had a better one. It's awesome.

So, if you come to Brad's BBQ forum, and ask which BBQ to buy, I'm going to tell you to avoid that crappy $79 BBQ. It's sh1t. The $500 is way better. It is. It can't cook that burger any better, but it's way better in so many other ways. So my advice is save for the BBQ you need, not settle for what you can afford right now. You won't like that advice, and you'll argue about it. But the advice comes from a Border Collie, and they're smarter than anything. You should listen. Unless you really need a burger now and are content not having all that other stuff. In the end though, you almost always get what you pay for, in some form or fashion. It's not about the burger, it's about the happy.

P.S. Rig says you're welcome.

[WarDog]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Often the person "judging" is simply giving good advice in the wrong way. I was just outside talking to my Border Collie about this, and as you know, they're pretty smart.
He pointed out the BBQ. Let me tell you about my BBQ journey. I like to eat meat. A lot. So some years ago, I decided to buy a BBQ. I'm cheap when it comes to things like that, so I went to crappy tire and bought the season end floor model for $79. No assembly required!!
I took it home (had to buy a tank on the way home) and fired it up. Cooked me a burger that was delicious. It was the best BBQ burger in the history of burgers. Overall, a very successful BBQ. But as time passed, I realized I couldn't cook a lot of burgers, and it got to hot to cook fish, and it rusted up after a couple seasons. It was an eyesore. But it was mine, and could still cook a successful burger.
One day I was out shopping and came across a shiny stainless BBQ. $500!!! But it has 4 burner controls, radiant heating, side burners, digital displays, etc. And it looks nice!
I bought it, took it home (came with everything I needed including tank) and fired it up. Yup, another epic burger. It was delicious. Montreal steak spice really rocks a burger. It was no better than the old BBQ burger though. Equally successful at cooking burgers.
But, and here's the value added part. It can cook lots of burgers Like a dozen or more at a time. I can bake a salmon, or cook a roast. And I can boil corn on the side and keep it all warm until everything it done. It's shiny, did I mention that?? It's still shiny, and when I walk by and see it on my deck, I like it. I like that I have a nicer than crap $79 sale BBQ. It impresses my BBQ friends. It rocks, it rolls. It sings and dances. I love my BBQ. Best damn $500 I ever spent.
Now, this is the point where I got what I paid for. I paid for consumer satisfaction, that my BBQ, in addition to successfully cooking burgers, can do so much more. It makes me happy. 2 years later, I'm still happy. I still love my BBQ. I don't envy other BBQs and don't wish I had a better one. It's awesome.

But you still need to fill a tank. I would have got the NG version... I guess you got what you paid for!

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by WarDog

But you still need to fill a tank. I would have got the NG version... I guess you got what you paid for!

Since I don't have gas on my street, I went the right way