You get what you pay for?! A marketing hype or a reality?

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by reefwars

spose lol

You paid for radion pros...did you "get" what you paid for? In this hobby, we spend money for nicer tank, did you get that from those?

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

You paid for radion pros...did you "get" what you paid for? In this hobby, we spend money for nicer tank, did you get that from those?

I think that's the point though,

Radio Pro's may or may not give you a "nicer" tank than AI SOl's, but there are other reasons to buy things such as reliability, customisability, etc. that make it money well spent to some people. As such, it's in the eye of the beholder (spender). If you spend money upgrading from say a SOL to a Hydra just to have a "nicer" reef you may not get your moneys worth. If however, your goal is a broader light spectrum and more convenient programabillity than you'd probably feel your money was well spent.

I'm not terribly active on here anymore, but it seems to me that in most "help me buy equipment" type threads I've seen the OP either states their budget outright and people try to suggest things within that budget, or people try to suggest things within the whole spectrum. Those have certainly been my experience when I've wanted advice on a purchase. Have you considered that the "You get what you pay for" comments are from people who have tried cheaper stuff and had it fail at a really inopportune time, rather than people who are too heavily invested in their particular favourite brand?

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

I think that's the point though,

Radio Pro's may or may not give you a "nicer" tank than AI SOl's, but there are other reasons to buy things such as reliability, customisability, etc. that make it money well spent to some people. As such, it's in the eye of the beholder (spender). If you spend money upgrading from say a SOL to a Hydra just to have a "nicer" reef you may not get your moneys worth. If however, your goal is a broader light spectrum and more convenient programabillity than you'd probably feel your money was well spent.

I'm not terribly active on here anymore, but it seems to me that in most "help me buy equipment" type threads I've seen the OP either states their budget outright and people try to suggest things within that budget, or people try to suggest things within the whole spectrum. Those have certainly been my experience when I've wanted advice on a purchase. Have you considered that the "You get what you pay for" comments are from people who have tried cheaper stuff and had it fail at a really inopportune time, rather than people who are too heavily invested in their particular favourite brand?

Exactly that's what my point is. Different people will definitely have different opinion on whats "expensive". To me, a $20 lunch would be expensive (cause I can cook so much with that amount) but replacing 6x$22 T5s every year is not. Highly variable thing. But I go around forums (I have the habit of googling for everything I buy and go around other forums since canreef is actually very mild with nice reviews; hence I dont post in other forums), I find all sorts of "rants" making it look like less expensive things in the hobby are curses. I don't know about others but I feel terrible looking at those.

You don't see much in this forum regarding such rant since canreefers are nice. Although I have been in debate with some of the posters in this thread but they have been extremely nice to be in many cases; its just part of healthy debate I would say It got a bit tricky/mess/whichever word you use but...oh well...I know nothing is going to change between them and myself

And about the last bold line, I think its more from people who loves specific brands than those who have experimented. Because people who did cover the full spectrum from low end to high end (I myself did in some aspects) tends to have more practical opinion than just "buy the most expensive stuffs!".

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

You paid for radion pros...did you "get" what you paid for? In this hobby, we spend money for nicer tank, did you get that from those?

not sure why you would think i didnt as i think i did , got a price on them , paid it and the light worked just fine , in fact sold it as brand new and got some good moey back for it;PP

the sun works too ....

just for me this was a better choice for my tank at the time.

whats your argument exactly? that highend lights dont do as good a job as low end or that low end dont do a good as a job as highend?

still dont see anything in this thread but complaining about highend stuff lol

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by reefwars

not sure why you would think i didnt as i think i did , got a price on them , paid it and the light worked just fine , in fact sold it as brand new and got some good moey back for it;PP

the sun works too ....

just for me this was a better choice for my tank at the time.

whats your argument exactly? that highend lights dont do as good a job as low end or that low end dont do a good as a job as highend?

still dont see anything in this thread but complaining about highend stuff lol

So, it was a better choice for you at that time but not now. Hence it might not be a better choice for someone else for now a.k.a paying for high end fixture doesn't necessarily mean its bound to work for you. In context to your comment, here's my point:

"highend stuffs may do a good job and cheap stuffs may also do a good job; paying for higher priced equipment is no shortcut to a successful reef and doesn't necessarily mean you are paying for the best choice and successful reef is possible with low end fixtures".

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

So, it was a better choice for you at that time but not now. Hence it might not be a better choice for someone else for now a.k.a paying for high end fixture doesn't necessarily mean its bound to work for you. In context to your comment, here's my point:

"highend stuffs may do a good job and cheap stuffs may also do a good job; paying for higher priced equipment is no shortcut to a successful reef and doesn't necessarily mean you are paying for the best choice and successful reef is possible with low end fixtures".

my friend , i think you should read a little and maybe think about it before posting and heres why.....

you dont understand what im saying and prob what most others are saying, all you hear is " you paid how much". while i could have kept my radion pros im not sure how 2 radons can light up 11ft of tank?? ( 2 x 5 1/2 ft systems) and i dont think they are a good fit both in regards to sps colors im trying to aquire and to photography, can i ask what did you find with your led light in regards to both? maybe im missing something lol

my reason for leaving leds has nothing to do with " x " amount of dollars vs " xxx " amount of dollars or i wouldnt of bought the pros lol being high end or low end had nothing to do with it i think you got your facts completely mixed up and backwards.

again all i see is a " i hate high end stuffs " thread that has no direction at all lol



care to explain?

[Madreefer]

Originally Posted by reefwars

my friend , i think you should read a little and maybe think about it before posting and heres why.....

That's what the problem is here. More reading than experience mixed with back peddling. Unsubscribed

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by reefwars

my friend , i think you should read a little and maybe think about it before posting and heres why.....

you dont understand what im saying and prob what most others are saying, all you hear is " you paid how much". while i could have kept my radion pros im not sure how 2 radons can light up 11ft of tank?? ( 2 x 5 1/2 ft systems) and i dont think they are a good fit both in regards to sps colors im trying to aquire and to photography, can i ask what did you find with your led light in regards to both? maybe im missing something lol

my reason for leaving leds has nothing to do with " x " amount of dollars vs " xxx " amount of dollars or i wouldnt of bought the pros lol being high end or low end had nothing to do with it i think you got your facts completely mixed up and backwards.

again all i see is a " i hate high end stuffs " thread that has no direction at all lol

care to explain?

Ok so basically this is how the thread went:

Step 1: I opened up a thread saying which stuffs I prefer to spend my money and which I don't and I believe you dont always get what you pay for.

Step 2: I keep on saying that there are people who strongly believe that you pay what you get for and they insist that nothing is achievable by low-end fixture

Step 3: Apparently, everything gets concluded as "rant for high end stuffs"

Denny, my point has been from the very beginning of the thread (with some diversion) is that "you don't always get what you pay for". I don't know where it is so hard to understand. It is not always about the money but about what you are going to be successful with. Since we are on LEDs, let me bring on example up. Many people have success with AI and many have success with radions. There you go: the complete spectrum! And few weeks ago regarding an LED, someone keeps on pointing out that you should go for "HIGH END FIXTURE" to have success. That's my rant. Disprove me if you may! Success can be achieved by all means and cannot be judged by how many high end stuffs you have. As simple as that: that's my whole point. You are the kind of guy who gives all sort of option irrespective of price. I still remember you saying "odyssea should be fine on your tank" instead of saying "thats complete crap; change it asap or you won't be able to grow anything". I have dealt with you too many times than anyone here and you have never judged (atleast not for my purchases) on the money but rather than the actual quality.

And funny how the so called "experience" play around the game. When a guy who talks about how high end stuffs may not always work for you, thats total crap, must have experience before talking and "back peddling" but when a guy comes forth saying "hey don't buy that, I "heard" they can burn down your house", experience doesn't matter and that's rock solid advice right there. What can I say

[jorjef]

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by jorjef

I knew you would return