WHAT IS A CORPORATION?

[RuGlu6]

Originally Posted by Rice Reef

Perhaps you. An enlighten us with your thoughts and ideas of how societies would operate in your "perfect world"? From this we may then understand you better.

At least we agree to hate war...

Yup, and "disagree" (wont say "hate" because Mods will sink their teeth in my back and draw blood again ,) with anyone who is in the war, or making money on it, or stupid and brainwashed enough to sign up for it and get paid for being in war...

As far as enlightening goes, i would rather prefer to plant a seed in peoples mind that perhaps will generate a thought. The reason is that it is impossible to change anyone's mind by arguing.

[lastlight]

Originally Posted by RuGlu6

The reason is that it is impossible to change anyone's mind by arguing.

are you married? serious question...

[MitchM]

Here is a seed that should be planted in every junior high school student.
This should be required viewing.

It is an excellent animated 3 part documentary of how vital debt is to our economy.
The first 2 parts are available on Youtube no charge, the third part you need to order and it discusses an alternative "money supply."

I highly recommend everyone to watch at least the first 2 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8

[Reef_Geek]

I declare shenanigans.

yup. I just did that.

[RuGlu6]

Originally Posted by MitchM

Here is a seed that should be planted in every junior high school student.
This should be required viewing.

It is an excellent animated 3 part documentary of how vital debt is to our economy.
The first 2 parts are available on Youtube no charge, the third part you need to order and it discusses an alternative "money supply."

I highly recommend everyone to watch at least the first 2 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8

No surprise that this was based on Bank of England's "brief history of banknotes"... get in to more debt, be more enslaved, feed the banksters.

I'd rather have my kid watch ZEITGEIST in school as a required viewing ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

[MitchM]

Conspiracy movies like Zeitgeist should not be shown to kids.
I tried to watch it a few years ago and turned it off because of it's nonsense.

Kids need to learn how our actual economy works and make decisions that will help them make productive choices, not fringe films that are meant to confuse them.

I'm not sure the point of this thread, but corporations are a pretty simple concept, a legal entity that allow business people to safely conduct business without putting their personal property at risk.

[reefermadness]

Yes because our economies and monetary system is perfect and infallible. They definitely should never be scrutinized. The shenanigans (yes I said it) of Wallstreet is just part of the perfection.

If kids/students can't listen to different ideas and arguments and look on them objectively, we'll that is a shame. Also if we can't think and work on improvements to systems (monetary system being one), that is so closed minded and also sad.

Personally I really like the Zeitgeist films (there are 3). I don't agree with everything in them but they are eye openers for sure. They cover a lot of topics, like mental health, religion, war and are probably only 25% about the monetary system.

A good documentary to watch about the crash of 2008 and subsequent recession is inside job. It does a good job of laying out the sicking financial moves that lead to one of worst market declines in history. In October '08 the head of the International Monetary Fund/IMF warned that the world financial system was teetering on the "brink of systemic meltdown.

I'm not personally against any of this stuff but even if you think something is great you can still try to objectively look at the flaws and think of improvements. I love myself but sometimes I think about how I can be a better person. Then I grab a beer

[Reef Pilot]

Zeitgeist reminds me of the hippie movement back in the late 60's and the communes. Then in later life many of them ended up on Wall Street, and in corporations.

As was said, corporations are very simple. People pooling their resources and different skills to create more assets for everyone to share. Some are profitable, some are not. Definitely more efficient and productive than individuals or communes.

But we will always have protests and alternative lifestyle movements, as envy and jealously just seems to be part of the human make-up. And it seems our species are not the only ones, as per another thread I posted recently.
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=101358

[reefermadness]

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot

Zeitgeist reminds me of the hippie movement back in the late 60's and the communes. Then in later life many of them ended up on Wall Street, and in corporations.

Aint no hippie mo fo here, but I do like the films. Honestly, have you even watched one start to finish?

As was said, corporations are very simple. People pooling their resources and different skills to create more assets for everyone to share. Some are profitable, some are not. Definitely more efficient and productive than individuals or communes.

Everything is simple if you choose not to look at the details. C'mon I can give you the definition of a nuclear reaction but does that tell you everything you need to know about a nuclear reaction?

nuclear reaction

— n
a process in which the structure and energy content of an atomic nucleus are changed by interaction with another nucleus or particle

But we will always have protests and alternative lifestyle movements, as envy and jealously just seems to be part of the human make-up. And it seems our species are not the only ones, as per another thread I posted recently.
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=101358

And when people protest anything that is unjust or unfair that makes them jealous in your mind?

[MitchM]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

Yes because our economies and monetary system is perfect and infallible. They definitely should never be scrutinized. The shenanigans (yes I said it) of Wallstreet is just part of the perfection.

If kids/students can't listen to different ideas and arguments and look on them objectively, we'll that is a shame. Also if we can't think and work on improvements to systems (monetary system being one), that is so closed minded and also sad.

Personally I really like the Zeitgeist films (there are 3). I don't agree with everything in them but they are eye openers for sure. They cover a lot of topics, like mental health, religion, war and are probably only 25% about the monetary system.

A good documentary to watch about the crash of 2008 and subsequent recession is inside job. It does a good job of laying out the sicking financial moves that lead to one of worst market declines in history. In October '08 the head of the International Monetary Fund/IMF warned that the world financial system was teetering on the "brink of systemic meltdown.

I'm not personally against any of this stuff but even if you think something is great you can still try to objectively look at the flaws and think of improvements. I love myself but sometimes I think about how I can be a better person. Then I grab a beer

I didn't say the system was perfect, of course is is not. That's why we need more education about the systems that are currently in place.

I am also neither closed minded or sad, quite the opposite.

In order to view or discuss conspiracy stories, one should have a good understanding of the subject beforehand and a sophistication that allows for an objective understanding of who the presenter is. The "artist" or "activist" does have an agenda. I would prefer to see a respected investigative journalist first dig up some actual facts. Otherwise it's basically just campfire talking points.

Also, you can be sure that the presenter has a few corporations of their own, in order to maximize profits from the product that they're selling.

I'm also not naive.