AEFW Warning for Lower Mainland area!!!

[ScubaSteve]

If the guy is trying to sell afflicted frags knowingly, then a PSA is warranted. If it was unknowingly, there are more subtle and diplomatic ways of dealing with it. Threads like this are going to get everyone's hackles up and it will turn into the usual bitch-fest. My gut feeling from the sellers thread is that he was probably oblivious to the fact. I'm not part of this shmozzle, so I can't say for certain. You say he got turned down by JL because of it, who knows.

I've picked up red bugs twice from other reefers, one of them a good friend (until I learned to just dip the damn things). Both times I contacted them and politely said "hey, we've both got a problem here". Both times they were unaware, both times we helped each other source interceptor and treat the tanks. No hard feelings and I still keep in touch with them. That problem ended up building bridges and acquaintances.

If I came on here going "so-n-so's a sumuvabitch and selling dirty frags with red bugs", I wouldn't just be burning bridges, it'd be scorched earth. Everyone's gonna get all up in arms and at each others throats. So what did that achieve really?

I have sympathy for the OP because I've been there, it sucks. But at the same time, like Brad said, assume every frag - friend or foe - is carrying something nasty and its your responsibility to take precautions. Ultimately, the health of your tank is in your hands. That's why you're also not getting a ton of sympathy, not the fact that we support people selling "dirty frags".

PS. I'm not saying that dipping is a cure all. Inspect your frags as well! Look for eggs! I have a cheap magnifying glass specifically for this reason.

PPS. Not taking sides nor saying you're wrong. I sympathize and it sucks. Just saying that PSAs aren't necessarily going to get the response or result you're hoping for.

[mikepclo]

First of all I did not say it was JL, dunno what you read and it wasnt btw.I trust my sources which are well known and respectable members here and that's why I THOUGHT WAS GOOD IDEA IF MEMBERS KNEW. And this isnt about me so dunno why you are bringing me into this like I'm craving attention or drama, which is rude btw. I think your missing the point here, it's a warning and if it prevented anyone from buying than I did get the result I wanted. And why do I need sympathy???for???? I'm confused here.

Since you dont like pages causing hackling than what do you expect to get out of your comments?I'm confused again...no joke here.

Oh I don't keep quit btw, I fight hard for what I believe is right.

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve

If the guy is trying to sell afflicted frags knowingly, then a PSA is warranted. If it was unknowingly, there are more subtle and diplomatic ways of dealing with it. Threads like this are going to get everyone's hackles up and it will turn into the usual bitch-fest. My gut feeling from the sellers thread is that he was probably oblivious to the fact. I'm not part of this shmozzle, so I can't say for certain. You say he got turned down by JL because of it, who knows.

I've picked up red bugs twice from other reefers, one of them a good friend (until I learned to just dip the damn things). Both times I contacted them and politely said "hey, we've both got a problem here". Both times they were unaware, both times we helped each other source interceptor and treat the tanks. No hard feelings and I still keep in touch with them. That problem ended up building bridges and acquaintances.

If I came on here going "so-n-so's a sumuvabitch and selling dirty frags with red bugs", I wouldn't just be burning bridges, it'd be scorched earth. Everyone's gonna get all up in arms and at each others throats. So what did that achieve really?

I have sympathy for the OP because I've been there, it sucks. But at the same time, like Brad said, assume every frag - friend or foe - is carrying something nasty and its your responsibility to take precautions. Ultimately, the health of your tank is in your hands. That's why you're also not getting a ton of sympathy, not the fact that we support people selling "dirty frags".

PS. I'm not saying that dipping is a cure all. Inspect your frags as well! Look for eggs! I have a cheap magnifying glass specifically for this reason.

PPS. Not taking sides nor saying you're wrong. I sympathize and it sucks. Just saying that PSAs aren't necessarily going to get the response or result you're hoping for.

[Aquattro]

Anyway, yes, somewhat of a good idea, if not perfectly executed, to warn other members. Sorry if I came across as an ass but basically I'm pretty much an ass.
The seller has contacted me and stated that the frags are no longer for sale and he did not know about the worms. Ok..

But my comments stand. All frags can and likely are infected with something, and should all be treated. If your dip doesn't kill flatworms, and you don't have a microscope, well, you're probably screwed.

[Bblinks]

Originally Posted by mikepclo

First of all I did not say it was JL, dunno what you read and it wasnt btw.I trust my sources which are well known and respectable members here and that's why I THOUGHT WAS GOOD IDEA IF MEMBERS KNEW. And this isnt about me so dunno why you are bringing me into this like I'm craving attention or drama, which is rude btw. I think your missing the point here, it's a warning and if it prevented anyone from buying than I did get the result I wanted. And why do I need sympathy???for???? I'm confused here.

Since you dont like pages causing hackling than what do you expect to get out of your comments?I'm confused again...no joke here.

Oh I don't keep quit btw, I fight hard for what I believe is right.

Mike has a valid point. This is just a fair warning.

[ScubaSteve]

Originally Posted by mikepclo

First of all I did not say it was JL, dunno what you read and it wasnt btw.I trust my sources which are well known and respectable members here and that's why I THOUGHT WAS GOOD IDEA IF MEMBERS KNEW. And this isnt about me so dunno why you are bringing me into this like I'm craving attention or drama, which is rude btw. I think your missing the point here, it's a warning and if it prevented anyone from buying than I did get the result I wanted. And why do I need sympathy???for???? I'm confused here.

Since you dont like pages causing hackling than what do you expect to get out of your comments?I'm confused again...no joke here.

Oh I don't keep quit btw, I fight hard for what I believe is right.

Hey, let's bring it down a notch. I'm not trying to pick a fight or **** you off, nor was I trying to be offensive.

Sorry I was mistaken, I read LFS and brain went to JL for some reason. My bad. From reading it sounded as though you or a couple people ended up getting AEFW; if you did, I'm sorry and I feel for you. It sucks. If you didn't, my misunderstanding - it seemed like you had. I didn't say you were craving drama or attention.

After reading through the whole thread and seeing people get up in arms when Brad says "take responsibility for your own stuff" I thought it was getting kind of silly. I think I was responding more to:

"So selling dirty corals is ok on this forum? By your comments here and on other warning on the another thread that makes it seem like you don't find any immoral issues here. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what you come off ass. Oopps I mean "as"."

No one here was implying that. Brad, myself and others said the same thing, maybe too bluntly: ultimately you're responsible for your tank, and no, no one is supporting selling "dirty" frags.

I really do appreciate you posting a warning about a guy selling infected frags, especially if the guy was doing it maliciously. From what I was seeing it didn't necessarily seem like he was and it felt like the reaction was a bit over blown. That's why I said something. The other member was being publicly strung out like a leper. If he was being malicious, great burn him at the stake. Or, as Brad said, a simple note to the mods could have just as well been an effective first step to getting rid of that problem.

JL gets colonies in shipments that have AEFW and they try to deal with it the best they can (typically they just toss the colony), however, you can't catch them all. We don't go and cause a huge kerfuffle if one of their colonies has AEFW, right?

Far too often around here many threads just turn into ****ing matches and catfights. Does that really bring up the quality of this forum? My point was more to the point that people need to temper their responses. While your intentions were good, I saw this ending up as people all up in a tizzy and bitter because of the way it was being handled. It's the kind of stuff that drives membership away. People being publicly crucified for having a pest, accusations of having no morals and supporting selling of "dirty" frags... There are more constructive ways of dealing with problems than that. We can be better than that around here.

I'm sorry if you understood it as me point a finger at you or chastising you. It wasn't meant as such and I apologize if it came across that way. Like I said, I'm not involved in the issue, I don't know all the facts, I'm not taking any sides. Just like you, I believe in what I think is right. While I appreciate your good intentions, I didn't believe the responses I was seeing were the most appropriate.

[lastlight]

anyone here ever try bio-pellets?

i'm on the fence as i've heard both good and bad about them.

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by lastlight

anyone here ever try bio-pellets?

i'm on the fence as i've heard both good and bad about them.

Why you gotta faux-diffuse the situation? The lances were drawn and horses armored...

[kien]

I have Designer and Limited Edition AEFW if anyone is interested, PM me. Apparently none of the LFS' want to buy them off me.. *sadface*

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by kien

I have Designer and Limited Edition AEFW if anyone is interested, PM me. Apparently none of the LFS' want to buy them off me.. *sadface*

shipping??

[Bblinks]

Originally Posted by kien

I have Designer and Limited Edition AEFW if anyone is interested, PM me. Apparently none of the LFS' want to buy them off me.. *sadface*

It sounds commercial...lol How much for a frag? $150?