AEFW Warning for Lower Mainland area!!!

[mikepclo]

Let's get back to topic here. This thread is a heads up on a dirty seller not dipping. And I thought members would appreciate this but guess not...

Another warning! Do not post warning regarding dirty sellers as you will get comments like this:

Take responsibility as a consumer and practice safe fragging. If you contaminate your tank, it's your own fault.

So selling dirty corals is ok on this forum? By your comments here and on other warning on the another thread that makes it seem like you don't find any immoral issues here. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what you come off ass. Oopps I mean "as".

Yes buyers beware as many pest out there and we should all dip our corals but there's a difference between a seller knowing or not knowing that their corals are infected. Dirty sellers do have responsibility as they would careless if they crash and spread other members tanks for profit. But than again I could be wrong again as I'm new here.

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Another warning. Every coral frag you buy from any source can and likely does have some sort of pest on it. If you do not dip your corals, you WILL infect your tank eventually. Take responsibility as a consumer and practice safe fragging. If you contaminate your tank, it's your own fault.

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by mikepclo

Yes buyers beware as many pest out there and we should all dip our corals but there's a difference between a seller knowing or not knowing that their corals are infected. Dirty sellers do have responsibility as they would careless if they crash and spread other members tanks for profit. But than again I could be wrong again as I'm new here.

I see both sides, Brad speaks the truth even if he is blunt about it. That being said as a community these posts are appreciated, informing the community is THE best form of quarantine out there.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Zoaelite

I see both sides, Brad speaks the truth even if he is blunt about it.

I think the term was ass

[mattr]

Thanks for the warning!
I admit seeing threads like this could get annoying but I rather see one like this once a while then have my corals destroyed.

Thanks again!

[reefermadness]

Red bugs is one thing Brad (easily removed with a safe in tank treatment, also redbugs rarely if ever has been responsible for the loss of an acro). AEFW is a whole other ball game.

Also any seller who knows he has either pest should at the very least inform the potential buyers. Otherwise you arent being honest. JMO

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

Also any seller who knows he has either pest should at the very least inform the potential buyers. Otherwise you arent being honest. JMO

Oh, absolutely. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, and if we see that, the poster is gone. My point is only that one should assume that all frags are infected and treat, inspect and deal with accordingly. If I get a frag that has AEFW and I can't remove them, it goes in the garbage. I'm lucky that I have a scope and can check, but I think you can probably see them with a magnifying glass. Just saying always check.

[reefermadness]

I agree Brad, you can't assume that everyone is honest or even that everyone with a pest even knows that they have it.

It just seemed like the attitude was a shady seller was getting a pass and all the emphasis put on the buyer. The buyer needs to be diligent for sure but we should also encourage good honest selling IMO.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

I agree Brad, you can't assume that everyone is honest or even that everyone with a pest even knows that they have it.

It just seemed like the attitude was a shady seller was getting a pass and all the emphasis put on the buyer. The buyer needs to be diligent for sure but we should also encourage good honest selling IMO.

I did speak to the seller, who said he did not know, and that he felt really bad and withdrew the items for sale. Without knowing otherwise, we have to assume that's reasonably true, and it just bothers me to see a post attacking someone when we don't have all the facts. No mention of whether anyone that bought frags contacted him for a refund or resolution, outcome of that contact if it happened, etc. It was just a lynch mob post, and I think the seller has to be assumed innocent until proven otherwise. I've bought frags from several top members here that had pests of some sort, and imagine if I posted something like this as a first response. It would ruin the reputation of the member, it would cause a thread much like this and at the end of the day, nothing good would have come from it. I would have also lost friends in the process.
If situations like this occur, it's best to contact the staff to discuss, and if we see it as a benefit to the board, we'll contact the seller and post a PSA if needed. Assembling a mob and fetching a rope is not the best approach to this type of issue

[mikepclo]

This is exactly how I felt after seeing another fellow members warning post on the sellers thread but was replied with same type of response from Brad. So this thread was made as I didn't feel confident anything was going to be done. If you guys feel like this is a lynch fest than so be it. I do apologize to members that I've offended in this thread but I still stand by my warning.

Originally Posted by reefermadness

It just seemed like the attitude was a shady seller was getting a pass and all the emphasis put on the buyer. The buyer needs to be diligent for sure but we should also encourage good honest selling IMO.

[daplatapus]

It's been mentioned before, but I'd love to see a sticky in the corals section about dipping, precautions and inspection of corals. When you're inspecting your corals what are you looking for and where? How strong of magnification is your scope to see these things? What dips are good for SPS, LPS, soft corals? There's a good learning opportunity here for a lot of us.
From personal experience, I've often blindly dipped my stuff in Coral R/x looked at the coral with my naked eye not really knowing what I should be looking for. I've somehow introduced flatworms in my system despite my efforts (which obviously haven't been educated enough).