Arc fault circuit interupter

[wingedfish]

I've cut the arc fault plugs off of at least a dozen appliances (window a/c's) do to nuisance tripping. These are CSA mandated on some things for some reason but are just annoying in the field. Cannot imagine why anyone would want one on their tank.

I personally wil not put a gfci on my tank either. To each their own.

[Megalodon]

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I was doing some searching on arc fault interrupters here. My brother recommended I install one on my circuit breaker since I have a lot of things plugged in my condo and I'm paranoid about fire, especially with four cats that I probably wouldn't be able to all save in the event of a disaster.

That being said, my brother isn't a reefer and understandably isn't considering the damage to a tank being shut off for more than a day, and now that I've read about false trips, I'm starting to wonder if it's worth it.

Anyone have any more opinions or insight to share on this? I already have GFCI's up the ying-yang, but I do want the extra protection, not just for my tanks, but my computers and electrical equipment as well. Thanks.

[Doug]

In my place in Manitoba I had GFCI/AF breakers in the bedrooms, one of which was my office. I ran some of my tank on it and also had a dedicated 15a circuit installed on a GFIC. I was running halides then and they dont fire on arc fault.

My new place here has similar GFCI/AF breakers, again in bedrooms and one being my office. Thats all I,m running my tank on but I use LED lights now, so no problem and added protection.

[Ace22]

I am also an interprovincial journeyman electrician for over 35 years. My 2 cents....I personally see nothing wrong with homeowners doing minor electrical work provided it is done properly, it isn't rocket science and anybody can do a good job by doing a little research. I am also not an insurance agent but they would be hard pressed to not pay a claim provided the work was done properly as they would have to prove that the moved outlet was the cause of a claim and that it was not done properly. The fine for not pulling a permit is a joke and very very rarely enforced. Most of the stories about big fines are nothing more than an urban myth. I would also never install an arc fault receptacle anywhere else but a bedroom. These devices were invented for bedrooms as that is where most domestic fires occur. They are not recommended for any cicuit that has arcing loads which is not a problem in a bedroom for the most part but when you plug in somthing like your vacumm cleaner you will get nusiance tripping.
Your tank will probobly have several loads which could cause tripping ie..pump motors and even your heater.
As far as gfci go I wouldn't install one on my reef tank either as they can also cause nusiance tripping and I would rather just take the prcaution of keeping my electrical clean and dry as possible. A gfci is designed to prevent people from being electrocuted they are not designed to protect from fire. I have wired hundreds of outlets in public places for drinking fountains and have never used a gfci for this. I can also find no code rules which mandate such precautions.
I am quite sure the only place a gfci is mandated by code is near your kitchen sink or in your bathroom.
Make sure you have a propely grounded outlet, keep your electrical clean dry and neat and take a chill pill.

[Megalodon]

Hmm, you know, I've never once had a nuisance trip from a GFCI on any of my tanks and I've been using several of them for years, both in the wall outlets, and powerbars. The only times they've gone off is when I've spilled water on the powerbars, and I'm glad they did.

Do AFCIs trip easier than GFCIs? I run LED and fluorescent lighting and have an air conditioner in my house.

[Ace22]

Gfci and arc fault breakers trip for different reasons. To put it in laymans terms a gfci trips when it see some current leakage as when things get wet and a small current follows the moisture. An arc fault breaker trips when it detects an arc from something like a loose connection. Like I said arc fault breakers are designed for bedrooms as that is where most domestic fires occur. The main cause of these fires was the proverbial octopus. This has become more of a problen over the years as people have more and more electrical items in the bedroom.
If you have power bars and electrical equipment located in a spot where you can spill water on it you should certainly have gfci in place. I have no idea if an arc fault breaker will trip in your specific case all I can tell you they are not recommended in places you have arcing loads. Motors often have brushes which produce an arc, aquarium heaters have contacts which produce an arc. If you are truly worried about your house burning down you should have a journeyman electrician inspect your home and equipment. Electrical installations are more forgiving than most people realize they are often afraid because it is all a big mystery for them. I am more afraid of my tank springing a leak than being electrocuted or having a fire personally.

[Magma]

Originally Posted by Ace22

I am quite sure the only place a gfci is mandated by code is near your kitchen sink or in your bathroom.

Or pumps in a Lake, river and streams. Anything near a Pool, Hot tub, Spa and pretty much any place water is mentioned it refers to using GFCI protection. In fact I can count right now 23 different places in the code which GFCI protection is mentioned and required in most of those, with the odd exception. Now sure we don't have a specific rule for fish tanks, but when the trend is water=GFCI it should be a no brainer, ultimately everyone will choose if they want to use one on there tank or not.

On another note

As for AFCI circuits well pretty much useless with water IMO. They are to be used in bedrooms to prevent arcing
pretty simple explanation of them found on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc-fau...it_interrupter


They way I see it a fish tank doesn't really follow any rules in the code, to be safe a GFCI would be great but with lights and pumps plugged in you may get tripping from them turning on and off. If you use drip looks and are cautious then can get away without it. But its to each his own.

[toxic111]

Just on a comment on the GFI and Arc Faults. I had a bad connection (made by the electrician that wired my house) with the AF. My digital alarm clock would trip it when it alarm went off.

I have a GFI plug set-up in my tank stand. My Radion lights will trip it, some plugs are very sensitve, and others will be fine. One of these days I am going to replace it with another one to see how it does.