Blue Hippo - Ich - Treating with copper

[Myka]

Personally, I don't treat Ich. I do treat all incoming fish with PraziPro for worms though.

Originally Posted by daniella3d

Are you saying that because copper treatment was stated then it's too late or pointless to change to hyposalinity?

Does that mean that now that the fish is bating in copper, it won't do more dammage if the fish remains longer in that copper?

Well, if you want to be argumentative about it - ya that's exactly what I mean.

[daniella3d]

I don't want to be argumentative, but am I the only one who think that treating a fish with copper for ich only to reintroduce it right back to a ich contaminated tank make ne sense what so ever??

Originally Posted by Myka

Personally, I don't treat Ich. I do treat all incoming fish with PraziPro for worms though.



Well, if you want to be argumentative about it - ya that's exactly what I mean.

[naesco]

Originally Posted by daniella3d

I don't want to be argumentative, but am I the only one who think that treating a fish with copper for ich only to reintroduce it right back to a ich contaminated tank make ne sense what so ever??

I think you are right daniella. The only time it would make sense would be if a fish were clearly very infested such that a garlic extract treatment with selcon might be difficult.
But in that case copper would not be the choice. A formalin dip would be best IME and the fish would go back to the main tank for the garlic extract treatment.

[Myka]

Originally Posted by daniella3d

I don't want to be argumentative, but am I the only one who think that treating a fish with copper for ich only to reintroduce it right back to a ich contaminated tank make ne sense what so ever??

Treating Ich doesn't make sense to me to begin with... ...almost every single tank out there has Ich in it. Every time you add a coral or rock or a fish or a snail or anything wet to your tank (unless you're extremely diligent with dipping/quarantining) you are likely to add Ich. Imo no tank is Ich free unless it has sat fallow for at least 6 weeks since the last "wet" addition. Even then, you would have to be awfully diligent about adding the quarantined fish back to the tank because fish can still carry Ich without visibly showing infection.

[daniella3d]

Nope, mine does not have ich in it and I don't want ich in it.

That's a myth that every tank has ich. Ich is a parasite and it does not have to be in a tank and on a fish. It weaken the fish and although you don't see the white dots maybe, a certain amount of parasites can still be on the gill and weaken the fish if it become stressed and create an outbreak.

Tank must be fallow for 8 weeks.

Fish can still be carrying ich without showing sign so yes an hyposalinity is not 100% garantee to get rid of it but it is much more sure than not doing quarantine, especialy if you have an ich magnet like a hippo tang. Make no mistake, people do lose fish from ich and something many fish.

Originally Posted by Myka

Treating Ich doesn't make sense to me to begin with... ...almost every single tank out there has Ich in it. Every time you add a coral or rock or a fish or a snail or anything wet to your tank (unless you're extremely diligent with dipping/quarantining) you are likely to add Ich. Imo no tank is Ich free unless it has sat fallow for at least 6 weeks since the last "wet" addition. Even then, you would have to be awfully diligent about adding the quarantined fish back to the tank because fish can still carry Ich without visibly showing infection.

[Myka]

Originally Posted by daniella3d

Nope, mine does not have ich in it and I don't want ich in it.

That's a myth that every tank has ich. Ich is a parasite and it does not have to be in a tank and on a fish. It weaken the fish and although you don't see the white dots maybe, a certain amount of parasites can still be on the gill and weaken the fish if it become stressed and create an outbreak.

I didn't say every tank does, I said almost every tank does. A person has to be extremely diligent to not have Ich in their tank, and most people either don't put the effort in or make mistakes they aren't aware of which will let Ich slip by unnoticed. I would bet you could get an Ich outbreak in your tank if you stressed them enough, but it would be cruel to prove my case. It's really not that big of a deal, I'm not sure why you seem to think it is.

Fish can/will carry the parasite in their gills "forever" unless you have TREATED every fish in a QT before adding them to your tank you will most likely have Ich in there. Simply quarantining the fish won't guarantee there is no Ich present, it has to be treated. 30% of the fish in the world's reefs are infected with Ich either in their gills or on their body, and it only makes sense that a much larger percentage would be infected in dealers' tanks. If Ich is showing on the body the fish is already severely infected.

Originally Posted by daniella3d

Tank must be fallow for 8 weeks.

Omg kill me for my typo! But thanks for pointing it out. I will change my post in case someone is reading this.

Originally Posted by daniella3d

Fish can still be carrying ich without showing sign so yes an hyposalinity is not 100% garantee to get rid of it but it is much more sure than not doing quarantine, especialy if you have an ich magnet like a hippo tang. Make no mistake, people do lose fish from ich and something many fish.

If done correctly hyposalinity is 100% as with copper treatment and leaving the tank fallow. Those are the only 100% treatments, but many people do not do them 100% correctly. Human error is the only thing that affects the "guarantee".

[daniella3d]

Sure, that's why I do hyposalinity no matter if the fish show sign of ich or not, as to get rid of what ever gill parasites the fish might be hiding.

Keeping a fish in quarantine with normal salinity is only good to see if the fish does not have something nasty as velvet or turn out with some other diseases. I am well aware that it may still have ich and not show it.

As for my fish in QT now, I am putting them in my display tomorrow, QT over. So far so good, no sign if ich while raising the salinity so I will see tomorrow and in the next few days.

At least I am 100% sure they don't have velvet because they have been in QT for 6 weeks now.

Originally Posted by Myka

Fish can/will carry the parasite in their gills "forever" unless you have TREATED every fish in a QT before adding them to your tank you will most likely have Ich in there. Simply quarantining the fish won't guarantee there is no Ich present, it has to be treated. 30% of the fish in the world's reefs are infected with Ich either in their gills or on their body, and it only makes sense that a much larger percentage would be infected in dealers' tanks. If Ich is showing on the body the fish is already severely infected.



Omg kill me for my typo! But thanks for pointing it out. I will change my post in case someone is reading this.



If done correctly hyposalinity is 100% as with copper treatment and leaving the tank fallow. Those are the only 100% treatments, but many people do not do them 100% correctly. Human error is the only thing that affects the "guarantee".

[Myka]

They need to be in full hyposalinity for 8 weeks to "guarantee" no Ich left. You should know that. By "full hyposalinity" I mean not including the days it takes to get to hypo or the days it takes to get back to normal salinity.