iPhone or Blackberry....what are you using?

[Ron99]

I know I'm almost a fanboy but the new iPhone 4 is really head and shoulders above anything else. It has an awesome screen that is high resolution and much brighter and easier to see outside in sunlight. Built in video chat, much more sensitive motion sensing for better response from apps, much faster processor, multitasking. Also a much improved camera that you can shoot and high definition movies and do post production right on the phone with an iPhone version of iMovie. Oh yeah, folders to help organize your apps, the iBooks store so you can buy and read books on it (no more killing trees for your reading pleasure), and a improved mail app in iOS 4 too.

Android is okay but for an overall stable and easy user experience with well integrated features you need to go iPhone. I also would not want to have to worry about malicious apps. Apple checks and approves every app available to make sure they don't do anything they aren't supposed to. Google unfortunately lets anybody sell you whatever pp they want without any checking or security.

[Snaz]

Originally Posted by Ron99

Android is okay but for an overall stable and easy user experience with well integrated features you need to go iPhone. I also would not want to have to worry about malicious apps. Apple checks and approves every app available to make sure they don't do anything they aren't supposed to. Google unfortunately lets anybody sell you whatever pp they want without any checking or security.

Well Ron we agree on most things but the above statements are not true. Before I address each I must predict that you have never used an Android phone and so your comment about stability and user experience is without warrant. If you have been an Android user what problems did you experience? What version? Remember the first iPhone OS?

Apple or Google simply cannot approve and check the hundreds of thousands of user submitted apps. Malicious iPhone apps? You betcha:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/18376...pp_report.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10446402-245.html

Any paid app in Google Market has to go through an application process that includes identity of the submitter, same as a bank check, thus a trail is available in case of complaint.

A jailbroken iPhone is super vulnerable to attack if the user does not bother to change root password and a quick survey of the iPhone users here with jailbroken iPhones do not know even what Root is.

[globaldesigns]

I have the BB Bold and love it.

If you are using it for business, then the Blackberry is still the one to have.

but if you are using it for personal use, then IPhone is the one, as you can have your music, games, etc.

This is even from the guy at the Rogers store.

[Snaz]

Originally Posted by globaldesigns

I have the BB Bold and love it.

If you are using it for business, then the Blackberry is still the one to have.

but if you are using it for personal use, then IPhone is the one, as you can have your music, games, etc.

This is even from the guy at the Rogers store.

Or an Android device will do both. Please see the following screens illustrating these great phones. Fanboy? Guilty.



Touchdown Exchange Client


Office Documents


Games

[mark]

Malicious iPhone apps? Another class a people that need a good beating.

[pinhead]

If you are anxiously awaiting the release of the Iphone 4 in Canada, you might want to hold off to see if Apple fixes the massive design flaw that affects the antenna. If the bottom left hand corner of the case contacts your palm, the signal strength drops to the point that your call may be disconnected within 20 seconds. Apple's response is that there is no problem and adjust your grip if you are having problems. Even right handed people may have the problem as you hold the phone in your left hand when using the touchscreen. There are about 50 pages discussing this on Macrumors.com and also lots of videos on youtube and the computer techsites.

[Ron99]

Originally Posted by Snaz

Well Ron we agree on most things but the above statements are not true. Before I address each I must predict that you have never used an Android phone and so your comment about stability and user experience is without warrant. If you have been an Android user what problems did you experience? What version? Remember the first iPhone OS?

Apple or Google simply cannot approve and check the hundreds of thousands of user submitted apps. Malicious iPhone apps? You betcha:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/18376...pp_report.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10446402-245.html

Any paid app in Google Market has to go through an application process that includes identity of the submitter, same as a bank check, thus a trail is available in case of complaint.

A jailbroken iPhone is super vulnerable to attack if the user does not bother to change root password and a quick survey of the iPhone users here with jailbroken iPhones do not know even what Root is.

Hey Keith,

I have only checked out Android a bit and obviously not all the different phones. The problem with Android is that different phones and manufacturers may be using different versions of the firmware and OS and updates may not even cover all the phones out there. The problem with so called "open" phone OSes is similar to the problems with Windows. You have to support umpteen different hardware configurations, input methods, screens etc. The user experience may differ from phone to phone as will the available feature set. The term for that is fragmentation and it is a problem with Android.

While techies may like the open nature and hackability/customization available with Android, the vast majority of people would rather have something that is straightforward and easy to use out of the box. That is the iPhone. It just works with a fine tuned user interface and extremely well integrated services and features that are consistent across devices. Apple's control does result in an excellent product.

As for malicious software, the links you provided were for theoretical exploits but to date Apple has not allowed any malicious apps to get through. They do check the functionality of software under the hood and have caught apps doing things they shouldn't (even though it wasn't malicious code).

Google on the other hand does not actually check apps to the same degree. In fact just this last week Google remote killed two apps that were doing things that were against the rules. But thousands of people had likely installed them by the time they were caught:

http://www.tipb.com/2010/06/25/googl...-users-phones/

You might also want to read this PDF that discusses security concerns with the Android market:

http://threatcenter.smobilesystems.c...6-22-10-v1.pdf

Yes, a jailbroken iPhone is vulnerable but then you are hacking Apple's system so that would be your own darn fault. It would be akin to hacking Windows and then blaming Microsoft if you had a problem. If you don't jailbreak the phone and use it as Apple intends then you are far safer then with Android. There really is no need to jailbreak an iPhone.

With regards to enterprise support, Apple went a long way to doing that in iPhone OS 3 and have added even more in iOS 4. It will only keep getting better with future updates.

http://www.securityweek.com/iphone-4...nes-enterprise

Finally, with respect to the antenna issue, it may or may not be a real problem. Some people experience it and some don't. The root cause is also under investigation. Adding a case seems to help. Some people have seen the problem resolved by reseating the sim card. Some say that all is required is a firmware update to increase the speed at which the phone shifts frequencies when the signal degrades. So it's a bit of an unknown at the moment. But I would say the majority of the 1.5 million iPhone 4s sold so far are operating without problem. you also have to remember this is not just an iPhone problem but many mobile phones experience signal attenuation depending on how you hold them. It is a function of the way antennas work vs. your bodies own electrical conductivity.

[mseepman]

My biggest issue with Iphones is that you still can't work with flash sites. Apple may want the world to believe that flash is old news but it sure doesn't look that way to anyone not using an Iphone or Ipad. I have a Blackberry, it's mandated by my work and I like it just fine.
I have to admit that Iphones have a "cool" factor but when you look at their poor customer service, their need to control everything and the poor way they deal with criticism, I find it hard to swallow doing business with Apple.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/20020...enna_woes.html

[pinhead]

Originally Posted by Ron99

Finally, with respect to the antenna issue, it may or may not be a real problem. Some people experience it and some don't. The root cause is also under investigation. Adding a case seems to help. Some people have seen the problem resolved by reseating the sim card. Some say that all is required is a firmware update to increase the speed at which the phone shifts frequencies when the signal degrades. So it's a bit of an unknown at the moment. But I would say the majority of the 1.5 million iPhone 4s sold so far are operating without problem. you also have to remember this is not just an iPhone problem but many mobile phones experience signal attenuation depending on how you hold them. It is a function of the way antennas work vs. your bodies own electrical conductivity.

Apple has admitted it is a real problem. It is a flaw of the iPhone 4 but not the 3. Every iPhone 4 can experience this because of the location of the antenna. Until Apple modifies the firmware, redesigns the antenna or provides a free case, you may want to wait.

Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PQyWp0mWE

[OceanicCorals-Eugene-]

Originally Posted by Ron99

I know I'm almost a fanboy but the new iPhone 4 is really head and shoulders above anything else. It has an awesome screen that is high resolution and much brighter and easier to see outside in sunlight. Built in video chat, much more sensitive motion sensing for better response from apps, much faster processor, multitasking. Also a much improved camera that you can shoot and high definition movies and do post production right on the phone with an iPhone version of iMovie. Oh yeah, folders to help organize your apps, the iBooks store so you can buy and read books on it (no more killing trees for your reading pleasure), and a improved mail app in iOS 4 too.

Android is okay but for an overall stable and easy user experience with well integrated features you need to go iPhone. I also would not want to have to worry about malicious apps. Apple checks and approves every app available to make sure they don't do anything they aren't supposed to. Google unfortunately lets anybody sell you whatever pp they want without any checking or security.

Ron next time your at OC give my X10 a try i bet you will think differently about droids after. The new iphone OS is not a true multitask OS but a false one that works as though it is real (look it up). Iphones hardware is not all that good, they did that for a simple reason, save battery life. but compared to the top of the line droid phones? it cant compare.

X10:
4" screen high resolution LED (easy to see under the sun)
snapdragon processor 1ghz speed
8.1mp camera (compared to iphones 5.0)(HD video available in 2.2)
front facing camera

dont forget Flash 10 support! that iphones will never get