Would you want to owna product from a company that does buisness like this?

[mseepman]

I've always chuckled when people talk Apple up for how easy it is to use...I mean this is a company that required people to "KNOW" that they had to drag their disk onto the garbage can in order to eject the floppy disk.

I used to support these as well as PC's and I often found them twice as frustrating as any PC. When things do go wrong...they go sooooooo wrong.

[Bloodasp]

Don't you have a feeling Steve Jobs is becoming what Bill Gates was to Microsoft before? Love them or hate them they have created a world which no one can almost do any work without using their product.

[RuGlu6]

Interesting how so many ppl like Ipods, Iphones, apple computers.
I stay away from any i-things, i don't like how they work, i don't like how they tell me what to do, so no i-product for me.
thank you.! but thank you.

[Ron99]

Originally Posted by mseepman

I've always chuckled when people talk Apple up for how easy it is to use...I mean this is a company that required people to "KNOW" that they had to drag their disk onto the garbage can in order to eject the floppy disk.

I used to support these as well as PC's and I often found them twice as frustrating as any PC. When things do go wrong...they go sooooooo wrong.

Sort of like having to click on the "Start" button to turn off your computer Of course now you can just hit the dedicated eject button on Mac keyboards.

And things go wrong with Macs far less often then with Windows so when they do go wrong it is usually something major.

Originally Posted by RuGlu6

Interesting how so many ppl like Ipods, Iphones, apple computers.
I stay away from any i-things, i don't like how they work, i don't like how they tell me what to do, so no i-product for me.
thank you.! but thank you.

If you're hearing voices coming from the iPod telling you what to do i think maybe you need to see your doctor But seriously, the interfaces are really easy. When an under 5 year old can figure out how to use an iPhone/iPod Touch with minimal teaching that is a well designed piece of technology. That's the magic. Making technology straightforward and easily useful instead of intrusive. Love them or hate them, Apple does that better then any other company.

[Crytone]

Originally Posted by Ron99

And things go wrong with Macs far less often then with Windows so when they do go wrong it is usually something major.

I disagree with this point. I haven't had any problems in years with any PCs and any problem I have had has been hardware related (which were either DOA on my initial builds or died several years into service). I think the main reason people feel that way though is PCs are far more dominant in the marketplace. Let's suppose Apples have a 1% failure rate but only 10% of computer users own an Apple. Let's now suppose PCs have the same 1% failure rate but 90% of the users use PCs. You're going to see WAY more PCs than Apples fail just from simple math, roughly a 9:1 ratio.

Personally, my cousins 1year old Macbook has been in the shop more than it's been at his house- he still loves Apple products though! My other cousin had a powersupply go in her new 27" iMac when she first got it which she had to send away (I think to Lethbridge she said?) to get repaired but otherwise has had zero problems with it and it works awesome for her needs (webpage and graphics designer).

[banditpowdercoat]

I don't have a problem with PC hardware, moreso the problem lies within the OS. And with PC, it's Window's. I Love PC products, and Some windows OS were good. I am presently waiting to upgrade to W7 here, as Vista is giving me the most headaches of all.

I have tried Mac's, although limeted use. I didn't like the outlay and how you interfaced with it.

PC for ME. But I am Damn close to trying Linux or something, just waiting for someone to bundle it on a disk for me LOL

[Doug]

Steve, you have a bad experience with an Apple or something.

[StirCrazy]

ok I had a huge post done up then I lost internet and lost the post when I went to submit it.. I will try again.

this is going to be a summery of what I posted befor but I don't want to do that much typing

this was created to discus business practices not the computer brands.. PCs used to have a lot of hardware/compatability problems, but that like apple is a thing of the past.. apple never had this phase as they didn't let anyone else make stuf for there platforms. anyways enough of that

Apple is a large company but in the last 5 years computers have accounted for less than 30% of there profit. the majority is comming from the "I" phones and mp3 players so this is the area this post is concerning.

As Mr wilson put it Microsoft.. ect.. yup that was a while ago, but they didn't launch law suits they bought the companies then everyone screamed and the goverment slapped them with antitrust suits and asigned a watch dog to them.. which is still in effect.. so that is why you don't read the bad stuff about there practices anymore.

now apple is doing the exact same thing but they can't aford/nor want to buy the companies so they launch lawsuits to force them to go broke or to give in. for every 1 ligitimat lawsuit apple has launched they have launched one in retaliation against a company that started one against them.. you didn't think Apple was above stealing ideas did you???

at any rate it is there practice to counter sue smaller companies who try sue apple to force them to drop the lawsuit. cuz apple has more money.

Apple has done this since there beginning, back fired when they tried to do it to microsoft, but that is a different issue. so when microsoft does this kind of stuff, ie. forcing the compatition to do what they want, they get the goverment stepping in and interviening, but apple gets away with it for years and years..

well another big hitter has launched a lawsuit against both Apple and Nokia. Xerox is claiming infringment on something to do with a camera in a moble device, so finaly the goverment has stepped in and put a hold on all apple lawsuits untill the Xerox is resolved.. If Xerox wins apple will not be allowed to sell Iphones in the US.

I just find it funny that everyone who is a apple guy blindly thing Steve Jobs is the best thinbg since sliced bread, but infact he is a clone of bill gates, maybe even a bit more of a tyrant as Bill gates has never fired and sued a employ for the posability of a leak of a upcomming release.

another area that is watching this all unfole is the silicon valleys of the world.. if apple wins some of the lawsuits they have on the go it will effectivly shut down compatition for there Iphone and put a lot of people out of business and also slow down advancement. one business report I saw on TV about it was sugesting that apple who has advanced there iphone 3 or 4 times in as many years would like to slow down and make some money with out having to reinvest in advancements for a few years.. which ya is great and I am all for companies getting rewards from there work, but not at the expence of free trade and compatition.

Steve

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by Doug

Steve, you have a bad experience with an Apple or something.

nope my first computer was an apple.

Steve

[Ron99]

Originally Posted by Crytone

I disagree with this point. I haven't had any problems in years with any PCs and any problem I have had has been hardware related (which were either DOA on my initial builds or died several years into service). I think the main reason people feel that way though is PCs are far more dominant in the marketplace. Let's suppose Apples have a 1% failure rate but only 10% of computer users own an Apple. Let's now suppose PCs have the same 1% failure rate but 90% of the users use PCs. You're going to see WAY more PCs than Apples fail just from simple math, roughly a 9:1 ratio.

You would think that may be the explanation and it sounds logical but it's not so. Apple and Macs score very well in independent measures of reliability:

http://pcworld.about.com/od/officeha...for-Reliab.htm

http://www.macworld.com/article/1466...liability.html

Steve, I don't see why people have to get on Apple's case for protecting its patented inventions. Plenty of companies do it. Apple has been sued many times for patent infringement too. What usually happens is that the company being sued ends up paying a license fee to the company holding the patent. Apple pays license fees to plenty of other companies and in the past Apple and Microsoft ended up suing each other for patent infringement. They settled and agreed to cross license each others patents. So it is doubtful that Apple will (or even could) put HTC or Nokia or Google out of business. They will simply force them to license the patented technology. Same thing with Xerox. If you think Xerox really wants to stop Apple selling iPhones then you don't know how this works. They want Apple to sell lots of iPhones and pay them some fee for each one sold. That's the game with patents.

I do not blindly support Steve Jobs or Apple. But you can't deny that Steve Jobs does have a talent for finding good people and driving them to make the best technology they can. Apple and Jobs have changed the technology landscape and I guess some people have a problem with that. Before Macintosh there was no consumer GUI. It was all experimental stuff developed by Xerox. MP3 players existed before the iPod but they were clunky and had lousy interfaces. Apple put a great package together with excellent hardware (iPod), great software to manage your music and MP3 player (iTunes) and then added the store so you could easily purchase the music you want. Nobody else integrated it into a compelling and easy to use package for the consumer.

Then came the iPhone. It again revolutionized the way we interact with technology with a multi touch screen and OS built around it. Now everybody is copying them. None of the fancy touch screen phones out there would exist today as they do without Apple paving the way. I guarantee that.

So now keep an eye on the iPad. I think that story is just unfolding and it will again revolutionize mobile computing and communication and how we read/interact with newspapers, magazines and books. Apple is an innovator and leader not a copier like everybody else. They take new technology and integrate it into well designed, stylish and easy to use devices and then everybody else runs to catch up. If that sounds to much like a fanboy statement to you well to bad; it's reality.

Also, if you think that Apple really wants to slow down development of the iPhone which will stifle innovation then I think you are sadly mistaken. Apple is built on a culture of innovation and they will bring out newer and better iPhones every year regardless of what the competition is doing. I think Apple likes competition because it helps motivate them to keep a step ahead of everybody else. All these articles are just stupid statements by anti-Apple media. I know people inside Apple and they are highly motivated to make the best stuff they can. They are not sitting around saying "Man I hope we win that patent lawsuit so we can slow down development on the next iThingy".