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Lance · #1 02-23-2010, 01:14 AM

Tony, can you remove the laundry sink for now? After passing inspection you can go ahead and run it into the floor drain.

Delphinus · #2 02-23-2010, 01:33 AM

I dunno. It would look mighty strange having a sink hookup without a sink. I would not be able to bluff my way through it if I was asked what's up with that. I totally didn't see it coming either. Surely I'm not the only one who's ever done that .. the HRV drains into the floor drain, the hot water tank overflow .. the A/C .. all just lines that hang into the floor drain. It was like 2 minutes into the inspection when he was all "well, we're done here, sorry."

And why bother with the permits? I don't know. I'm starting to understand why people don't bother. At the end of the day, if all goes well .. your taxes go up.

So what's the incentive? ... In my case, I've just learned to be a pessimist. If something goes wrong, who's liability is it? And if we sell the house down the road what then.

In fact it's my total lack of poker face ability that got me into the permits mess in the first place. I just wanted electrical .. I went to city hall and the guy's first question was "why do you want an electrical permit? Are you developing your basement, by any chance?" "Well, ah, not .. really .. er .. yes, yes I am..." "Ok then you need to fill out this and this and that .. and .. ok there you go! You're now officially 3 permits richer than you were 20 minutes ago." "Uh, thanks ..."

lastlight · #3 02-23-2010, 01:36 AM

Exactly. For my really basic basement reno I'm putting my laundry tub in after I pass inspection. Will rip it out if I ever sell.

Delphinus · #4 02-23-2010, 01:38 AM

Not helping...

Delphinus · #5 02-23-2010, 01:42 AM

Actually as annoying as it is, I still assume that the requirements are in place for a reason and that reason is probably more elaborate than "we're the city and we like jerking you guys around" (no, really, I'm sure there's more to it than that. I have faith..) .. So, if it's not 100% right, it's good that I know about it and correct it properly. I don't want anything lingering over me "I wonder if this is not right.."

fishoholic · #6 02-23-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

Actually as annoying as it is, I still assume that the requirements are in place for a reason and that reason is probably more elaborate than "we're the city and we like jerking you guys around" (no, really, I'm sure there's more to it than that. I have faith..) .. So, if it's not 100% right, it's good that I know about it and correct it properly. I don't want anything lingering over me "I wonder if this is not right.."

I tend to agree, if you didn't do it the way it's suposed to be done and you run into problems later you'll be kicking yourself for not doing it right in the first place.

kien · #7 02-23-2010, 04:09 PM

Not to mention if you flood your basement or burn something due to electrical issues the insurance company could ask for your permits. Even if it passed there would likely be an investigation which could bring out some nasty skeletons in your basement! "Looks like your tub flooded the basement. Oh, your plumbing passed so its okay! Oh wait, this tub wasn't here during inspection, sorry Mr. Tony, the flood is your problem, so long see ya!"

mark · #8 02-23-2010, 05:54 PM

I'm really wondering about insurance companies denying a claim if no permit was issued. Guess would need to re-read the fine print on the policy but don't remember seeing the clause "no permit, declined".

Could see problems if there was a gross violation, like the lights from the grow-op, powered by the bypassed meter causing a fire, but really questioning that if I wired a receptacle, without a permit, to code using the proper wire, enclosures, etc...

As for the value of permits my little rant. I was at my new place when the final occupancy permit was signed off by the City. The gas line (no meter) had yet to be hooked up, so technically no heat or hot water, deck construction was approved (spacing between boards etc) though all the timber was sitting on the ground in the backyard still with the steel banding. Later the permit process frustrated me with the builder as got from him "City signed off, to bad" and from the City 'pay an engineer to produce a report, we'll admit we missed, the builder will walk and we'll come after you until fully resolved to our total and complete satisfaction or you can just drop it'.

lastlight · #9 02-23-2010, 01:38 AM

On the sale of my house the sellers were going to withhold $5000 if I didn't provide my basement permits. Everyone buying these days demands to see permits. At the very least it makes selling a home easier.

But yeah I won't have my pex or tub in. Run all of it after inspection and remove if I ever leave.