% salt water stock coming from farms?

Myka · #1 09-03-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Drock169

Lets not get into the whole ORA coral thing, its been officially confirmed that they wont ship to canada, and their supplier doesnt seem to have anything nice to offer even though they can ship to canada.
As far as ORA fish goes, they dont offer much to Canada, clowns and dottybacks are all they offer on a regular basis, every now and then gobies/blennies are available.

I didn't say anything about buying ORA corals - or fish for that matter!! I said check it out. It is an interesting website if you're interested in captive bred fish and aquacultured corals. It gives a person an idea of what is available captive bred.

If you look hard enough you can find quite a few captive bred fish. Some I have seen are: Neon Dottybacks, Orchid Dottybacks, most species of Clownfish, Pajama and Bangaii Cardinals (the latter I have bred myself), neon gobies. I think a few others that I'm forgetting.

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Originally Posted by Nebthet

Not a problem. I have emailed CITES directly to get some more extensive information from them because if there is a chance that I can go to the states and buy a crap load of corals from Liveaquaria or else where and then bring them across the border then I am going to do that. I don't mind paying for the import permits, for a one time only as they are not very expensive.

Good luck getting the import permits. You actually need re-export permits, and that means that LiveAquaria (or whoever else) will have to give you all the information about where the coral originally came from, which means giving up their suppliers' names. Giving out suppliers' names would be like giving out the code to your safe.

Nebthet · #2 09-03-2009, 02:51 AM

Luckily there are ways to get around the re-export permits. I have family that live in the States so all I really have to tell them is that they broke down their tank and rather than letting the corals die, they are giving them to me instead.

Now if Liveaquaria was to ship them to Canada, they would require the re-export permit, but not if they are delivering to a destination within the United States and I am picking it up. That is what others have done. Besides, I am not beyond smuggling stuff in if there is something I really want.

o.c.d. · #3 09-03-2009, 02:40 PM

Nebthet Special Forces Aqua Division...Codename Nebanatior...Mission: Coral Recovery..... Don't say anymore on this form I've detected a key tap surveillance system ..I think they are on to you.. what hu no.. no....please..
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mike31154 · #4 09-03-2009, 03:18 PM

Free Trade Agreement? What Free Trade Agreement? It's a joke, there's no way we should have to jump through these hoops for some goods. You can get around Europe from one country to he next without a hitch and here in NA we're closing our borders more & more to our so called friendly neighbours. Arrggh, politicians, now you got me started....

whatcaneyedo · #5 09-03-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mike31154

Free Trade Agreement? What Free Trade Agreement? It's a joke, there's no way we should have to jump through these hoops for some goods. You can get around Europe from one country to he next without a hitch and here in NA we're closing our borders more & more to our so called friendly neighbours. Arrggh, politicians, now you got me started....

My feelings exactly.

Nebthet · #6 09-03-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by o.c.d.

Nebthet Special Forces Aqua Division...Codename Nebanatior...Mission: Coral Recovery..... Don't say anymore on this form I've detected a key tap surveillance system ..I think they are on to you.. what hu no.. no....please..
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I so need to use this for my signature.. lol ..

and yeah.. I agree.. there is no such thing as NAFTA any more. It is all about the all mighty dollar and what the government can take from you. Grr

saltcreep · #7 09-03-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebthet

Luckily there are ways to get around the re-export permits......Besides, I am not beyond smuggling stuff in if there is something I really want.

Are you for real??? There are no legal ways to get around re-export permits. If it's CITES listed, then you need the permit. Simple.

BTW, Scleractinia sp. encompasses all stony corals.

subman · #8 09-03-2009, 10:03 PM

I think when he said "smuggling" he wasn't looking for a legal route

midgetwaiter · #9 09-04-2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by saltcreep

BTW, Scleractinia sp. encompasses all stony corals.

Are you speakingabout taxonomy or they way the paperwork is done? One has little bearing on the other.

Nebthet · #10 09-04-2009, 04:39 AM

That's right people ... I am not beyond bringing something in illegal if I feel passionate enough about it and think it is a stupid rule I am breaking especially on something that is readily available in the United States that ships easily down there. At least I can admit it. I still remember all the rum running routes in my area.