thread review - canreef staff please read

[zulu_principle]

Paul:

If I was offering corals with the name ORA, I would certainly make sure that under the circumstances I had documents to prove their authenticity if asked.

Maybe they do, but in my limited capacity in this industry, I have yet to find a legal way to import these species.

From my discussions it sounds like they have found a legal way, and if I were them I would not give up the "secret" either.




Wendell

PS - I have discussed with Dave prior to this post that I would/could post in his thread. I am happy to see that this thread is not be "moderated away."

[Scythanith]

Originally Posted by Quinster

How would you verify the coral in question is the actual one listed on the cities provided?

You can't. That's is the major problem with the system the way it is. One one hand you'd like to say that once it's in the country it should be fair game to trade with anyone you like, but then what is going to keep illegal importers from bringing in small chop shop frags and saying they were originally imported before and they are just "distributing" them now?

[Borderjumper]

Originally Posted by wickedfrags.com

Pleased to hear you are considering another purchase - last time you posted you indicated you would never be buying from me again and sold your credit. Glad things can change!

I can verify my pink lemonade is in fact my pink lemonade if that's what you mean...and I can show you a picture of the colony it will be coming from. I generaly just make up the names for ordering purposes (such as the lariat zoa - named after the truck I just bought), or if it is visually simalar to other popular corals.

Also - the frag may be a little on the larger side, my colony is getting quite large now. I can prepare the frag for you and mount it however you like - give it a 5-8 days and it should be encrusted on whatever substrate you prefer, liverock or a aragonite disk. I don't keep frags of this ready for shipment - I really do not like fragging this coral.

Again, sorry about that last frag, I ended up losing the entire colony. Make things worse, it was one of the wife's favorite.

Your wrong Dave, I didnt sell my credit, I gave it away. Yes I was quite upset that the zoa frag that I had purchased died in your care and without notification to me you cut a fresh one ( off a colony that was sick anyways) and shipped it. I sure wasnt going to pay $60 shipping to replace a $30 frag.

One other online frag outlet used a ploy on me a number of times back in the day.. it seems every order I received had one frag that somehow had just dissolved.. so to justify the shipping of a "free" replacement I would add a couple of hundred $ of new stuff.. and what ya know.. one would come as just an empty rock or frag disk... I have never had a zoa frag in my tank just dissolve to nothing in 6-12 hours..

I dont know what your using to grow corals.. but I have never had a fresh cut acro frag encrust in 5 days!

[wickedfrags]

Could have sworn you posted following the frag not surviving shipping that you were selling the $30 credit for $10 less than it was worth ($20)....and then I recall increasing the value of the credit to $50 to help you sell it in a timely manner - perhaps I am incorrect. Somebody look that up!

Also "fragging of a off a colony that was sick anyways" - those are your words not mine. Does not sound like something I would do as I don't need the $30 that bad.

Depending on the SPS frag and where I place it (assuming the frag is cut flush) - yup 5-8 days depending on the coral (and this one does like to encrust). Keeping the magnessium high is my secret.

Originally Posted by Borderjumper

Your wrong Dave, I didnt sell my credit, I gave it away. Yes I was quite upset that the zoa frag that I had purchased died in your care and without notification to me you cut a fresh one ( off a colony that was sick anyways) and shipped it. I sure wasnt going to pay $60 shipping to replace a $30 frag.

One other online frag outlet used a ploy on me a number of times back in the day.. it seems every order I received had one frag that somehow had just dissolved.. so to justify the shipping of a "free" replacement I would add a couple of hundred $ of new stuff.. and what ya know.. one would come as just an empty rock or frag disk... I have never had a zoa frag in my tank just dissolve to nothing in 6-12 hours..

I dont know what your using to grow corals.. but I have never had a fresh cut acro frag encrust in 5 days!

[wickedfrags]

You did however tell everyone you sold it - trust you can appreciate my confusion given the thread below.

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...t=50179&page=2

Originally Posted by Borderjumper

Your wrong Dave, I didnt sell my credit, I gave it away.

[wickedfrags]

Alright, last post then I close it as people choose not to answer the tough questions.

...Paul apprears not to have the stones so I will say it for him.

Paul and Ian work together. They share some space now I understand...

Paul sold me some corals about a year back, he operates under a company name (acronym is his userID). Based on my dealings and telephone concervations with Paul - well I am not suprised Tyree/ORA/USA brand corals are being moved under his watchful eye.

To be continued in a more stringent, US coral re-export specific thread.

Thanks to everyone who posted.

[sphelps]

I don't see anything wrong with asking for documentation when it comes to stuff like ORA. You pay a premium price for this stuff so it makes sense. You wouldn't buy a diamond without some kind of documentation, so same deal.

However when it comes to coral names what possible documentation could you want? Vendors always name their corals and it's usually based on what it looks like. If you buy a poker star do you require documentation stating it came from the original colony? No, if it looks like it then that's close enough. This is starting to sound like a bickering battle between to people, this whole thread seems to be a waist of time, I can't even tell what's really being discussed.

Buyer beware! Move on, and if vendors want to go after other vendors do it elsewhere as I don't believe that's what Canreef is for.

[BC Mosaic]

Originally Posted by wickedfrags.com

.... I generaly just make up the names for ordering purposes (such as the lariat zoa - named after the truck I just bought), or if it is visually simalar to other popular corals. ......

Now there is the crux of the matter.
Thanks for adding to the confusion, mislabelling, mispricing and all the other BS that is cropping up.
Sheesh.

[wickedfrags]

I don't understand your post - naming a frag and assigning a price to it is not new and is done by essentially all online websites.

I do not try and associate corals with specific ID sites or anything like that, because that can be even more confusing and/or misleading. More intersting than Zoa No. 1, Zoas No. 2...........

Originally Posted by BC Mosaic

Now there is the crux of the matter.
Thanks for adding to the confusion, mislabelling, mispricing and all the other BS that is cropping up.
Sheesh.