For those who are always asking for proof...

jsmth321 · #1 04-05-2009, 02:15 AM

This hobby is going to have some big changes in my opinion over the decade or 2, and it wont be for the better if we continue the trend we are now.

One thing we consumers can do is to send a message to stores that we will not buy wild caught fish when captive bred are available even if it costs a few dollars more.

False and True percs are 2 species that I don't even think should be taken from the wild at all anymore but some just wont spend the extra money for a captive bred fish.

fishoholic · #2 04-05-2009, 04:30 AM

Here's another good related video that explains it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKLH...eature=related

spoot · #3 04-05-2009, 05:07 AM

Where is Cites when you need them? There ought to be better enforcement into matters like these; especially on products/livestock coming into North America and Europe.

randallino · #4 04-05-2009, 06:40 AM

blueyota · #5 04-05-2009, 07:08 AM

WOW!!!!!!...i never saw anything like that before although iv heard of it ...and hope it comes to stop...even if it means the hobby has to come to an end...myself i think we as people with the power we have together or as a singles we can totally stop this .....or help replace some of it by growing frags in our tanks then taking them and putting them back into our delicate reefs or raising what fish we can and setting the back ....i am really sad to see all this terror we are doing to our oceans we really need to take a few steps back and take a look at the big picture... sorry for the rant ....just needed to say something....

TheRealBigAL · #6 04-05-2009, 09:00 AM

We should go find all those dynamite/cyanide fisherman and give em a good canadian Ass Woopin.

Its terrible that nothing in the Philippines is protected. The reefs are not going to last much longer like that

Leah · #7 04-05-2009, 10:46 AM

What I do not understand is if 75% die off within 48 hrs. Than what are they selling?
How are they making any money this way? I can not seem to understand why then
this would be profitable. If they see this why would they continue. I can not see the
logic in this. Sorry this really confuses me! I agree this is really sad.

untamed · #8 04-05-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Leah

What I do not understand is if 75% die off within 48 hrs. Than what are they selling?
How are they making any money this way? I can not seem to understand why then
this would be profitable. If they see this why would they continue. I can not see the
logic in this. Sorry this really confuses me! I agree this is really sad.

It just takes too long to catch fish any other way. The sad fact is that this IS efficient, even if the mortality is 75% or more.

Sadly, I don't think that reducing wastefulness is really going to solve anything in the long term. Eventually, there are just so many people on this planet that there just isn't going to be enough of anything.

http://math.berkeley.edu/~galen/popclk.html

Puff · #9 04-24-2009, 06:49 PM

i work in thailand most summers and we have a very nice tank in the office. i went to the supplier one day and had a good ole' b***h out. the guy was putting the completely wrong fish and corals in the tank, and things were suffering. the next day the tank had fewer, and better suited inhabitants. it's a rougly 30-40 gallon tank, and this idiot had about 5 clownfish, a mandarin, a koran angel, and a bunch of other fish. i walked in after not being in the office for a year and freaked out.

then i went down to the big fish (livestock) market with our office manager. she LOVES marine fish and has a tank of her own. we went into one store and she literally got chased out. apparently most fish sellers in the market think she works for the Wildlife department, as she always goes in and bitches people out, and one time the wildlife officers came in and shut a place down a few hours after she left (she hadnt called), but she was angry because she saw some extremely rare corals and fish jammed into a tank.

honestly though...things are just done differently out there. many people are just struggling to survive, and view the ocean as an easy thing to rape and pillage.

living in north america, many of us dont realize how hard it is to make a living in some of these countries. obviously i dont agree with their methods, and i absolutely hate it, but at the same time they are just trying to live. unfortunately it's unavoidable, as they will always need to eat, and the ocean will always be in their backyard.

cav~firez22 · #10 04-05-2009, 02:57 PM

Cites from the Phillipines, does not take much to get, considering that when the collector/supplier applys for the Cites, they slip a little cash in as a bribe, and they get their Cites.

All the beautiful fish that we like come from 3rd world countries (except Hawaii). and in these countrys, the "laws" are more catering to the money.

Its quite unfortunat, but, unless we ALL stop buying fish (not gonna happen here) then there will still be a demand for the product.

On a side note, i have not seen any videos that look like they are recent, ie. later than the 80s, unless their technoloy is crap over there.

just my 2 cents.

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We should go find all those dynamite/cyanide fisherman and give em a good canadian Ass Woopin.

Its terrible that nothing in the Philippines is protected. The reefs are not going to last much longer like that

Haha, even better would be to make them injest it all. and watch.

Could be fun!.