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04-05-2009, 10:46 AM
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What I do not understand is if 75% die off within 48 hrs. Than what are they selling?
How are they making any money this way? I can not seem to understand why then this would be profitable. If they see this why would they continue. I can not see the logic in this. Sorry this really confuses me! I agree this is really sad. 
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04-05-2009, 02:57 PM
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Cites from the Phillipines, does not take much to get, considering that when the collector/supplier applys for the Cites, they slip a little cash in as a bribe, and they get their Cites.
All the beautiful fish that we like come from 3rd world countries (except Hawaii). and in these countrys, the "laws" are more catering to the money. Its quite unfortunat, but, unless we ALL stop buying fish (not gonna happen here) then there will still be a demand for the product. On a side note, i have not seen any videos that look like they are recent, ie. later than the 80s, unless their technoloy is crap over there. just my 2 cents. Quote:
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04-05-2009, 04:23 PM
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Sadly, I don't think that reducing wastefulness is really going to solve anything in the long term. Eventually, there are just so many people on this planet that there just isn't going to be enough of anything. http://math.berkeley.edu/~galen/popclk.html
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04-05-2009, 05:11 PM
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04-05-2009, 10:27 PM
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Like I said, this wasn't to 'start anything' or put the hobby down. It was all just about awareness. A day after posting, I wish I wouldn't have. I know better than to post stuff like this here but I was so frustrated after hearing what an employee was telling customers when the customer asked if any of their fish were caught with cyanide..."thats a myth and doesn't happen". I was also kind of bored at the time, so I posted. Again...should post stuff like this here  This hobby actually is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being as destructive as fishing for food, farming and chemical dumping is to the oceans. The reefs in Australia are going fast because of farming. The reefs in the Caribbean are being decimated by raw sewage. The reefs here in Canada are destroyed by overfishing and trawling...we like to blame seals for our overfishing though  So the hobby is not even close to being the major problem but was is a concern is how fast fishes are declining. The hobby needs to eventually become self sustainable through breeding or it will no longer exist. Someone told me today about how they had been to Hawaii twice diving and never seen a Yellow Tang. The US last week started a bill that would severely limit importation of commercial fishes. I am all for it because this would mean breeding would have to be looked at. Yellow Tangs have been bred already (although not very successfully) so it can be done. The problem is that right now there is absolutely no reason to put the money into it. Just want to make this clear before people start the big debate. The Philippines are starting to do a great job of policing the cyanide fishers and actually put them in jail but for hobbyists just deny it happens is so ridiculous.
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04-05-2009, 10:58 PM
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How about seals being killed in Canada, also how about cows being slaughtered, chickens, turkeys, lamb etc. How about them, they suffer as much as anything alive.
How about countries like Usa and Canada making War and killing hundreds per day? people are knee deep in blood... Humanity has a long way to go even to be called humans, we need to grow and we need to wake up.
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04-05-2009, 11:14 PM
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Remember there is no need to keep fish in a glass box, we do it for our pleasure and nothing else and in the process we should be taking steps to limit loss as best we can and leave the reefs the same way they are found. Everything in the ocean is connected to one another and once one is removed it starts a domino effect. Take the Chinook Salmon declines of recent years and Orca's, there is some evidence that whales are not getting enough to eat because of this decline and even though many like to blame the whales for declines in fish stocks, it us humans who have been fishing various species for food at rates that are not sustainable. Everything in the ecosystem is connect to one another and once one is removed like I said, a domino effect. Last edited by jsmth321; 04-05-2009 at 11:27 PM.
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04-05-2009, 11:24 PM
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04-12-2009, 02:54 AM
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It's the giant circle of life that humans have f-ed up!
Too many whales killed in the 1800 and early 1900's = lower population = More Seals = Less Fish. Solution? Kill the seals with clubs! The fact of the matter is that our hobby has one of the least impacts of the marine problems. Overfishing for food and pollution take more fish and corals out of the reef than what collection for the hobby even comes close too. Quite frankly, within the next 20 years, we'll be looking to breed fish not for the hobby, but to re-introduce them into the wild.
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04-12-2009, 04:52 AM
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Heres what one of the exporters has to say. I've always been happy with their fish.
http://www.marinefauna-cebu.com/cyn.html
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