Making a case as to why NOT to bring home a Regal angel

[es355lucille]

Hi Diana, to tell you the truth I don't really say much on the forum as I have seen this on a number of occasions and I don’t find it very constructive or positive for anyone new to the hobby. Most of us new to the hobby feel dumb enough at times without it being splattered on the forum.

I have been to Diana & Frank’s and seen all their wonderful pets (baby’s) including the 260g reef that I find just amazing. My wife and I were staring in awe when Diana fed the puffer fish by hand and rubbed his belly! Diana really cares for her pets.

Are we all guilty for bringing fish home on a whim? Without research? Rescue? Someone else might buy her? Hell Ya!!......my wife and I looked at each other in the truck on the way home from the LFS after we bought a Fairy Wrasse.........and I said “do we know what it eats?”........we laughed at the time, but we were two researchers on the internet once we reached home. Does that happen now? No it does not. Why? Because as humans we learn by experience......not always by everything you read or are told. The learning curve for this hobby is pretty much vertical in the beggining .....I think some people that have been at this for a while have forgotten that as it is second nature to them now.

I know some very experienced people here are annoyed at some of us newer to the hobby. But understand that we will all learn different things at different rates at different times......and yes we will all make mistakes........and yes we will all lose that fish we loved.

Please be tolerant of each other. I feel like I don’t know much at all when I come here with the likes of the rest of you......but it is a really great forum, with a lot of really great knowledgeable people. I really enjoy this place for the most part.

Thanks for understanding. Brad

Originally Posted by my2rotties

If my questions benefit my fish I have and the ones in the future it was well worth the trouble and heat. I just worry about other people that are afraid to ask questions because of the flaming and negativity... They could be having problems and are afraid to seek the help that they really need.

[TJSlayer]

Well it's great to see the tone of posts changing and for the better, Good luck with your decision

I'd love to see some new pictues of your tank as well!

[24storm]

Originally Posted by TJSlayer

Well it's great to see the tone of posts changing and for the better, Good luck with your decision

I'd love to see some new pictues of your tank as well!

The captain who righted the ship!!! Good on you for changing the tone of this thread.

Keith

[fishoholic]

Originally Posted by my2rotties

I see a stupid dog, the stupid owner is not too far away... dogs are amirror imagies of their owners... mine are awesome and well behaved, and I get compliments on how nice and peaceful they are...

I have to agree, it's not about which bread the dog is, it's how the owner treats the dog. Anyone who watches the Dog whisperer with Cesar Millan will know his saying "I rehabilitate dogs and I train people" His dog "Daddy" is the best most laid back dog and he is a pit bull.

Originally Posted by my2rotties

I just need to add boxing gloves and a first aid kit with the flame suit next time.

Sounds like an interesting outfit, can't wait to see you in it J/K

Originally Posted by naesco

Hey, if a reefer needs some help with a problem or needs advice and your a bit shy about asking online, Private Message someone who you think might have experience with the issue or the species.
To PM you just click on the reefers name and the PM pops up and you are off and away.
Most people would be flattered that you asked them.

I've been pm'd before for advice and I have to say it's an honour and it's very flattering

[naesco]

Originally Posted by es355lucille

Hi Diana, to tell you the truth I don't really say much on the forum as I have seen this on a number of occasions and I don’t find it very constructive or positive for anyone new to the hobby. Most of us new to the hobby feel dumb enough at times without it being splattered on the forum.

I have been to Diana & Frank’s and seen all their wonderful pets (baby’s) including the 260g reef that I find just amazing. My wife and I were staring in awe when Diana fed the puffer fish by hand and rubbed his belly! Diana really cares for her pets.

Are we all guilty for bringing fish home on a whim? Without research? Rescue? Someone else might buy her? Hell Ya!!......my wife and I looked at each other in the truck on the way home from the LFS after we bought a Fairy Wrasse.........and I said “do we know what it eats?”........we laughed at the time, but we were two researchers on the internet once we reached home. Does that happen now? No it does not. Why? Because as humans we learn by experience......not always by everything you read or are told. The learning curve for this hobby is pretty much vertical in the beggining .....I think some people that have been at this for a while have forgotten that as it is second nature to them now.

I know some very experienced people here are annoyed at some of us newer to the hobby. But understand that we will all learn different things at different rates at different times......and yes we will all make mistakes........and yes we will all lose that fish we loved.

Please be tolerant of each other. I feel like I don’t know much at all when I come here with the likes of the rest of you......but it is a really great forum, with a lot of really great knowledgeable people. I really enjoy this place for the most part.

Thanks for understanding. Brad

Hey, if a reefer needs some help with a problem or needs advice and your a bit shy about asking online, Private Message someone who you think might have experience with the issue or the species.
To PM you just click on the reefers name and the PM pops up and you are off and away.
Most people would be flattered that you asked them.

[GreenSpottedPuffer]

Originally Posted by naesco

Hey, if a reefer needs some help with a problem or needs advice and your a bit shy about asking online, Private Message someone who you think might have experience with the issue or the species.
To PM you just click on the reefers name and the PM pops up and you are off and away.
Most people would be flattered that you asked them.

This is true as well...I have received numerous PMs about Puffers over the years

[Bugsy]

[quote=es355lucille;401818]Hi Diana, to tell you the truth I don't really say much on the forum as I have seen this on a number of occasions and I don’t find it very constructive or positive for anyone new to the hobby. Most of us new to the hobby feel dumb enough at times without it being splattered on the forum.

**I feel the same way and do very little posting questions and lots of reading.

bugsy...

[GreenSpottedPuffer]

Originally Posted by es355lucille

Hi Diana, to tell you the truth I don't really say much on the forum as I have seen this on a number of occasions and I don’t find it very constructive or positive for anyone new to the hobby. Most of us new to the hobby feel dumb enough at times without it being splattered on the forum.

I have been to Diana & Frank’s and seen all their wonderful pets (baby’s) including the 260g reef that I find just amazing. My wife and I were staring in awe when Diana fed the puffer fish by hand and rubbed his belly! Diana really cares for her pets.

Are we all guilty for bringing fish home on a whim? Without research? Rescue? Someone else might buy her? Hell Ya!!......my wife and I looked at each other in the truck on the way home from the LFS after we bought a Fairy Wrasse.........and I said “do we know what it eats?”........we laughed at the time, but we were two researchers on the internet once we reached home. Does that happen now? No it does not. Why? Because as humans we learn by experience......not always by everything you read or are told. The learning curve for this hobby is pretty much vertical in the beggining .....I think some people that have been at this for a while have forgotten that as it is second nature to them now.

I know some very experienced people here are annoyed at some of us newer to the hobby. But understand that we will all learn different things at different rates at different times......and yes we will all make mistakes........and yes we will all lose that fish we loved.

Please be tolerant of each other. I feel like I don’t know much at all when I come here with the likes of the rest of you......but it is a really great forum, with a lot of really great knowledgeable people. I really enjoy this place for the most part.

Thanks for understanding. Brad

Its not about being "****ed" or annoyed at new reefers. I don't think many of the experienced reefers here feel that way for asking questions. I do think they get annoyed when their advice is ignored. In this case its not really ignored but she has already been given some great advice and actually said she was done with keeping angels and actually I believe it was just a few weeks back (or less) that she had said shes not adding any fish for a while. That tank is very packed in my opinion.

So I think if people are taking the time to help others but the same questions keep coming up and advice is ignored, they have a right to get annoyed and express this the same way this poster constantly justifies everything by saying she loves her fish.

If you go back and read all the different threads about the problem puffer, death of the dogface, problems with tangs, death of the angels, anemone, ect. you will understand where people are coming from. The tank is a bit of an experiment IMO. Its also very young for so many fish. Its also not a massive tank...ect. ect.

The common response in every thread is about how much she loves the fish and does everything in her power to keep them happy and healthy. I don't doubt this one bit but its a bit of a contradiction to keep adding livestock and buying these fish if you feel that way. Saying one thing but doing differently will annoy some people. Doesn't really annoy me but leads me to believe this whole thing is a real struggle for her. And I do sympathize. But at some point for the sake of the livestock it needs to stop. Heck I have a list of about 20 more fish I would like to keep but I know I am pushing it already or that some are just not compatible with aquarium life.

I recently had an escalating problem between two tangs and had to remove one...It has been very upsetting but these things have to be done. I couldn't wait until one was dead...You have to make choices and I think most people responding just thought this was done in that last thread when the angels died.

I have to say I was pretty surprised to find another thread about this so soon.

I wish Diana the BEST of luck but do think they need to choose a direction for this tank

[my2rotties]

The fish was purchased two months ago now. I don't want this fish... please reread my posts. I am getting my fish trap from my friend tomorrow and the sohal will be coming out. He has not done anything else at this point and seems fine... for now... I never made mention of him in this thread since it was about other things. I wasn't going to mention anything until he was out or I at least had the trap back. Again please reread the first post and actually look at what I am saying...

Originally Posted by GreenSpottedPuffer

Its not about being "****ed" or annoyed at new reefers. I don't think many of the experienced reefers here feel that way for asking questions. I do think they get annoyed when their advice is ignored. In this case its not really ignored but she has already been given some great advice and actually said she was done with keeping angels and actually I believe it was just a few weeks back (or less) that she had said shes not adding any fish for a while. That tank is very packed in my opinion.

So I think if people are taking the time to help others but the same questions keep coming up and advice is ignored, they have a right to get annoyed and express this the same way this poster constantly justifies everything by saying she loves her fish.

If you go back and read all the different threads about the problem puffer, death of the dogface, problems with tangs, death of the angels, anemone, ect. you will understand where people are coming from. The tank is a bit of an experiment IMO. Its also very young for so many fish. Its also not a massive tank...ect. ect.

The common response in every thread is about how much she loves the fish and does everything in her power to keep them happy and healthy. I don't doubt this one bit but its a bit of a contradiction to keep adding livestock and buying these fish if you feel that way. Saying one thing but doing differently will annoy some people. Doesn't really annoy me but leads me to believe this whole thing is a real struggle for her. And I do sympathize. But at some point for the sake of the livestock it needs to stop. Heck I have a list of about 20 more fish I would like to keep but I know I am pushing it already or that some are just not compatible with aquarium life.

I recently had an escalating problem between two tangs and had to remove one...It has been very upsetting but these things have to be done. I couldn't wait until one was dead...You have to make choices and I think most people responding just thought this was done in that last thread when the angels died.

I have to say I was pretty surprised to find another thread about this so soon.

I wish Diana the BEST of luck but do think they need to choose a direction for this tank

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by es355lucille

Hi Diana, to tell you the truth I don't really say much on the forum as I have seen this on a number of occasions and I don’t find it very constructive or positive for anyone new to the hobby. Most of us new to the hobby feel dumb enough at times without it being splattered on the forum.

And this is a shame, most of us want to encourage the asking of dumb questions. I've been here for longer than I can remember. Did I mention anything about the school of purple anthias I killed last year? My GF thought they'd be pretty, so I made excuses on why I could keep them. Nope, starved, just like I knew they would. These things happen to everyone, with or without experience. If I had of asked up front, maybe someone would have yelled me out of a stupid decision.
As mentioned, if you want to ask but don't want the few to pounce on you, PM someone. There are lots of people here that have patience and understand that nobody knows everything, and that you may have got a bad start in the hobby from poor advice. But, the purpose of this board is to help, not judge, so please disregard the attitude of some of the frustrated people, just realize they aren't bad people, just very pasionate about this stuff and perhaps take the wrong route in portraying that.

Dianna, thanks for being brave enough to ask, and braver still in sticking around to tell your side. Hopefully it encourages other people to do the same. Yes, we all make stupid mistakes, and when one of us is man or woman enough to admit it in a forum like this, well, you deserve credit for that alone. Good luck with whatever you decide.

It's funny, I just remembered one of our old members who had one of the nicest tanks ever got one of these angels, nobody said squat to him about it, other than "hey, nice fish"