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Old 02-22-2009, 12:20 AM
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When I did the raw stint with chicken I NEVER fed the long bone like thighs or legs to my dogs. I had a good friend that raised rotties and she gave turkey legs and thighs to her crew. Her girl died due to a bone that pierced her intestines. I feed cooked chicken necks and backs and they never pose a problem since the bones are small and easily chewed up. Some dogs wolf down their food and will wolf down bones that are not really bite sized. I would not chance feeding long bones of poultry of any kind. My friend's heart break was enough for me not to take the chance.

Most nutrients in dogfood are lost due to the cooking process. I feel that dogfood is comparable to us eating Purina human chow every day. It may fill our nutritional needs, but I find a variety of foods keep them happily eating and if the eat something dead in the woods they don't ever get sick. I hear about dogs getting into the garbage and getting pancreatitis and almost dying from it. My dogs can eat anything and never get the runs or gassy ever.

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They get everything they would eat in nature (plus some!) I do not see how they could possibly be missing essential nutrients . There are supplements available, I picked up some salmon oil to help with the coat, and I might try some alfalfa powder, but past that apparently they are getting everything they need. Dont be fooled about the kibble that adds all these viatmins and minerals into thier foods... they add it because the foods lack it to begin with!

Not at all worried about salmonella & e coli, there have been more cases of dogs being sick from canned foods. Plus they have a highly acidic stomach (and super short digestive tract) that kills most bacteria.

And bone fragments? All the meats I give them are fully 100% ground, it looks like canned tuna. Raw bone does not splinter... its cooked bone that can be seriously bad for your dog. I would NEVER feed cooked bone (and no one should!).

I was worried about all these things too... until I did a lot of research and realized these were all myths. Again, kibble is fine, but raw so far has been great to my doggies.

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Old 02-22-2009, 02:45 PM
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I feed cooked chicken necks and backs and they never pose a problem since the bones are small and easily chewed up.

Most nutrients in dogfood are lost due to the cooking process.
Eeep! I would never feed cooked chicken bones! That's scary!
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Old 02-25-2009, 02:44 PM
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We have 2 purebred whippets. We got cabana at 8 wks, and toots @ 6 months or so. Cabana was on mountain dog food(which is ground up pre made chicken) when we first got her and toots was on kibble. After a couple days we ran out of MDF and started to just feed chicken legs from the grocery store because we could get a good deal on them. We switched toots over to raw when we got her and she loved it right away, and we noticed huge improvments in her coat, attitude, and her "waste".

They get raw eggs, shell and all, broccoli, carrots and apples, and brown rice once in awhile as well. Very seldom do they get beef or pork. We noticed it just gave them bad gas!!

We also were given one of those dog food salami looking things...It says premium dog food...da da da...After 3 or 4 feedings of that stuff we noticed our dogs couldnt stay away from the water bowl. Then i put two and two together and realized that they get little or no sodium in there raw diet, and now this so called premium soft dog food is just loaded with salt and they need to drink and drink and drink.

Also, and this could mean nothing as well, but i notice that our cat, who is a few lbs smaller than our dogs and east cheap no name kibble, will take a bigger "dump" than our dogs. Maybe its the food or maybe its not.

3 months ago we switched back to the premade raw, which IMO is not as good as raw from the grocery store. But for every one who thinks raw is so much more money I beg to differ. We did an order from mountain dog food and to have it shipped from van to our door in burns lake, we paid 1.68 per pound. We bought 300 lbs i believe. If we were to buy 500+ lbs then it would be under 1.50 per pound. So if there is a quality kibble that can be purchased for less than that i am all ears.

As much as we like the results of raw, at least on our dogs, we are expecting in june and are going to switch to kibble for sanitation sake!

Hope that made sense, its early!
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my pointer LIVES for chicken.
He lOVES raw, bone in chicken and has never had a problem stremming from it.
I usually give hin necks and backs, sometimes thighs for a treat.
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Old 02-25-2009, 03:32 PM
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My animals all seem to require different things and, as such, get different diets. Feeding time in this house is fun.

One cat has a problem with bladder crystals, so is fed 1/5 can Hill's c/d in the morning and 1/4 cup of dry in the evening.

The other cat gets the same. She hasn't had any issues, but it's good maintenance and her coat is shiny. Doesn't hurt.

The mini American Eskimo we have has teeth problems -- she has an underbite, and she's cursed with the horrible "small dog" dirty teeth, so has been put on hill's t/d prescription diet (yes. It's an expensive food bill we carry). She also gets a teaspoon of canned go! every night as an extra. The go! is better food than I myself eat on a day to day basis!

We also have an 80 lb boxer/rotti who very full of energy -- we considered the raw diet, but it doesn't fit into our lifestyle very well, with the thawing, etc. And camping would also make this difficult. She is also allergic to corn and corn products, so dealing with her runny stools is definitely not an option. We opted to put her on Orijen -- it's the closest I've ever seen kibble come to the raw diet. She seems to absolutely love it, and fills up pretty good. Not completely, but I'm of the opinion that she will never feel completely satisfied! She also gets a portion of the canned go! at night.

All four of them get pieces of chicken/beef/bison/moose whenever I cook dinner.

I work at a vet clinic, and they actually recommend Purina's vet diet for most maintenance diets. There ARE corn by products in the food, but they apparently have specific proteins that are necessary for clean eyes, coat, etc. I've done a few in-services, but I'll admit that not a lot of the information stayed -- this happens when I get interrupted by customers and phone calls! The stuff is guaranteed, though -- if a dog doesn't like it, or the owners don't like the smell, or an animal is allergic to it -- Purina offers a 100% money back guarantee. This in itself speaks volumes -- I don't know of any other pet food company that will back this kind of guarantee up without a fight.
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Pedigree is the company who bought nutro who then poisoned a lot of animals.
No trust in that company, money back or not.
http://www.squidoo.com/Nutro-Dog-Food


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pedigree, NOT purina.

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purina is the company who bought nutro who then poisoned a lot of animals.
No trust in that company, money back or not.
I wasn't aware of that.

Looks like I have some more reading to do. I'm glad my critters aren't on it, if that's the case!!
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