Water changes

[naesco]

Originally Posted by ReefOcean

Noob? I have been doing this for almost 8 years. I only dare because he wont put out. He wants to trivialize this thread because it goes against his doctrine. The same could be said 3 years ago about people "killing" their coral off by using LED or T5. Thise people didnt know what they were doing! how dare they use something other than MH!!!!.. Now those 2 lighting methods are completely acceptable.

I am not talking about sticking fish into toxic sludge. I am talking about controlling contaminants, limiting bioload and dosing properly to suspend water changes and only do them occasionally. There is nothing put forward to sugg. est that the fish are suffering since parameters are monitored and the system is regulated.....

My god. ***Rolls eyes like 5000 times.

8 years. You act like a teenager with an attitude. You should be ashamed of yourself. Show some respect please.

[jorjef]

LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMMBLE.

fyi i change my water.... add salt too

[fishytime]

I gave up on this thread a few hours ago.....glad I popped back in to see what Denny had to say......

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by naesco

How dare you post this comment about sphelps a respected member of this forum who offers freely advice to newbies like you.

You chose to get into this hobby and you have an obligation to provide the optimum environment for your fish inverts and coral you keep.

Get out of the hobby if you are too lazy to do water changes or give your fish and coral a fresh clean environment instead of a salty slough.

last year i asked the question about who had success without water changes and i asked this simply because i was curious as to how others are having success.....its all a part of being a hobbyst....do the best at your hobby you can....i came to the conclusion after lots of great advice that the animals we purchase deserve the best we can offer.


i have to agree with above, even if you can dose for everything you need to you also need to dose fresh water in which your fish breath and pass through their bodys

[ReefOcean]

Originally Posted by naesco

8 years. You act like a teenager with an attitude. You should be ashamed of yourself. Show some respect please.

Have something viable to add? other than name calling and condescending ridicule?

EDIT: BTW, you are one to talk. You show some respect.

[naesco]

Yes I do have something to add.

You owe Mr. Phelps an apology

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by fishytime

I gave up on this thread a few hours ago.....glad I popped back in to see what Denny had to say......

bahaha im sorry but had to lol:P:P

[ReefOcean]

Originally Posted by naesco

Yes I do have something to add.

You owe Mr. Phelps and apology

For what? He ridiculed me too . You need to be a little bit more consistant with your tantrums.

[FragIt Dan]

I am still here . I do regular water changes... ~40% every 3-6 months . I have also run the math, have a decent understanding of the mechanisms and physiology of coral reefs as they apply to non-conservative element consumption, as well as nutrient cycling and export. My systems are not closed... I supplement all non-conservative elements as well as foods and, to my knowledge, I am able to remove all waste products via my mechanical, biological and chemical filtration (if you know otherwise please let me know, I am learning new stuff everyday and always appreciate constructive criticism). In my case, as well as many others, my corals do better with regular water changes in my bare bottom setup every 3-6 months, not every 1-2 weeks (my dsb and crushed coral substrate tanks require more frequent water changes due to detritus buildup). I might be able to go longer, but do not wish to risk imbalances in elements for which I am unable to test. For the most part I observe changes in various species of corals for indications of problems. I used to do weekly water changes, but no longer feel it gives me the best results. I agree with the comment that water changes are part of 'Reefing 101', but for those of us who completed university, we took courses well beyond the 100 level and discovered our first year Profs often oversimplified things... you are welcome to continue to do long division while I am off running linear regressions (this is the part where I am poking some fun, but it is intended for humor. I have a great deal of respect for everyone and would hate to know I have offended any of you do please don't take me too seriously). You might have noticed I refer to my 3-6 month regiment as 'regular' . What if a Reefer did 5% water changes daily and told the 'bi-weekly water changers' that they were cheap and lazy? I bring this up to open debate, not to criticize anyone, and do so because i think there are knowledgable and passionate people following this thread that can offer some great ideas i hope to learn from. Again, I would really like to keep my participation friendly so please accept my apologies if I am offending anyone. I would love to have this conversation with you guys over a beer and would be happy to by the first round ('cause I'm not cheap ). Hopefully you are chuckling right now .


FragIt Dan

[naesco]

Reefocean, that may be true,
But I agree with him,
Not you