The Soapbox

[kamloops_reefer]

I've become very bitter about selling to people from the internet - because that is the biggest reason for the lack of ethics.

50% are price shopping on impulse and make stupid disrespectful offers because they want to see what they can get for 15 seconds of time invested. Rather than arranging a time to meet, view and negotiate.

45% are so flaky or impulsive again they decided that 5 days after making you hold something, and the day before or of, they changed their mind......

5% of the people are good to deal with and now have to suffer the reality of first come first serve.

I pick and choose who I give the benefit of the doubt to. I've met some people from here who I suspected would be wasting my time (opinionated of course). These people plagued the for sale boards trying to buy the lowest end stuff, started randomly calling and texting me - sure enough when I was shutting down my tank, they were there and decided to take he $5 fish where there was enough comments they liked other things......I'm not surprised

Just build good relationships with the few are good to deal with.

[kamloops_reefer]

P.S. I still vouche that Canreef should look into a classified rating system.

but perhaps I'm all for that, because every "i trader" I've been set up with, I've followed through with my end of the bargain.

it costs less for me to have something shipped from Quebec to B.C. than it is to drive some place 15 minutes away - it would do a lot of favors for those people in remote areas that don't have salt water stores or the budget at the moment.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by kamloops_reefer

P.S. I still vouche that Canreef should look into a classified rating system.

Can't, too much work and no way to validate anything.

Like that wrasse you shipped me, dead in the bag, probably dead when you packed it. You ripped me off and nobody should ever deal with you again.

Sure, maybe I made that up. Maybe I didn't. See where that would go really fast??

[lastlight]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Can't, too much work and no way to validate anything.

Like that wrasse you shipped me, dead in the bag, probably dead when you packed it. You ripped me off and nobody should ever deal with you again.

Sure, maybe I made that up. Maybe I didn't. See where that would go really fast??

Negative reputation points will fix him up REAL quick like. There's no recovering from an attack on your canreef reputation.

[Skimmin]

Wow. I think we've all been a apart of a sale that didnt go through at one time or another, or had something sold out from under you. Best thing to do before putting something up for sale is just realize that its not sold until cash is exchanged. I dont bother getting upset anymore. If it sells great.... If not... oh well... Wasting time can be a big part of a sale. Its just the way it goes with sales. Not worth taking it personally. Sales whether its new or used is dog eat dog so expect the worst and most of the time you wont be disappointed... If sales was an easy profession everyone would be salesmen lol.

[reefwars]

i chose not to comment....or did i

[hunggi74]

I was told there is a blacklist....

[kamloops_reefer]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Can't, too much work and no way to validate anything.

Like that wrasse you shipped me, dead in the bag, probably dead when you packed it. You ripped me off and nobody should ever deal with you again.

Sure, maybe I made that up. Maybe I didn't. See where that would go really fast??

and that's fine - people are allowed to do follow ups on the explanation, just like any review the reader needs to interpret the ones which are probably far fetched when there is probably a list of good reviews.

so no - I'm confident when two good people deal with one another, there is an understanding. when a good seller sells something, and a bad apple puts a bad review.... that's going to come out if someone actually searches the posts and other reviews that bad apple has put up as well.

Don't believe me, look up www.thirdgen.org on the classified section. just like car parts, one could say "he never shipped me what I bought" or "it doesn't work as explained". its upto the seller to take the chance of sending live stock which could be DOA, so that's a high risk, so up to them....because of that I would stay away from it

keep in mind, these are all just opinions (so I'm not saying I'm right) - however I think canreef instead of avoiding the inevitable (buying and selling of stuff) - might as well try to help the people. anything is going to be better than nothing. Sure there is going to be the exception (as there always is) but its going to reduce the risk at least.

Perhaps not enough people on here have done the e-bay thing to understand how to dicier honest reviews and question the bad ones.

Your always going to have those that cheat the system by making false accounts just to give themselves good reviews etc. Right now.... its a lot easier to pull of scams though. it seems canreef is over worried about liabilities and think people will blame them for this - simple start off a disclosure indicating potential warnings still and its used to reduce scams but still can happen.

on the twist side.... I've bought and sold stuff at a distance already......can you see how that can become good really fast? unfortunately I have nothing to show for it, and people browsing online who might want some of the hardware I have would have been more enthusiastic to purchase at a distance had there been previous reviews.

[kamloops_reefer]

for those that think this would be too much administration - its not. The only explanation in my opinion that can reef should decline such a system is if the suggested i trader platform inst' compatible with the current one, or it costs money.

being paranoid about hurting peoples feelings... well... either that, or I can start calling out names on for sale threads etc. because people deserve the truth about transactions - I don't plan on getting nasty but for example. Buying powerheads from a guy in Calgary who didn't include the much needed power supplies.... took 3 months to ship them..... people get busy.. procrastinate etc.... I would just state the fact. Its going to promote him/her to either A, decide not to ship next time or B be more diligent not to forget parts or C, realize their screw up and send right away and maintain an good status.

screen shots curtosy for www.thirgen.org (see under left pane sig for "classified rating":




when you click on link, you can see reviews.... you can question if the people leaving reviews are legitimate as well by clicking on their status's as well.

[Aquattro]

Still turns into a he said/he said and we're not here to mediate arguments. We offer a forum to buy and sell, and it's offered under the "use your own discretion" guidelines.
Honestly, there have been very few conflicts other than the trivial complaints offered here. If somebody didn't read your ad properly and missed your posted availability times, FFS, just work it out. someone doesn't show, sell to someone else. If it's that much trouble, give it away, toss it out, or put it under your stairs. I've yet to read anything in this thread that isn't classified as first world reef problems, and honestly, the staff all have better things to do that manage seller reviews.
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