An observation about sand and fine sand

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by Masonjames

I may be wrong in the spirit or the intent of the post. But I would assume it was not in the direction of justifying a algae free sandbed system.

We all have seen many beautiful algae free systems which have a sand bed. But not everyone has such a tank. Many if not most have nutrient problems, and resulting algae problems.

What benifit is it to those who have such a problem to simply say, I don't have such a problem. He's a picture to prove so. Who does this actually bennifit when the information quickly becomes redirected to ooohhh. Pretty tank.

I think any hobbiest with any real reefing time under there belt realize that no one way is the right way and success comes more from the hobbiest and the choices and practices therein.

Not everyone can replicate others success in the same fashion. So for many out there with algae problems, removing the sandbed could make life allot simplier for them. But instead of promoting information which may be valuable to that individual, we instead insist on sharing how "I" got it all figured out, overshadowing the actual practical and potentially beneficial information originaly presented.

No, removing a sand bed will not solve every problem. But for those who lack the experiance, the knowledge, the tools and equipment, the luck, doing so can prove to be benifical. Especially for those experiencing nutrient problems which result in the unwanted. The dependency and need for some equipment, regimiments, dosings, investments in, etc etc, can be lessened. Stability of the system and biological fluxes are lessened. All things which make running of the system simplier and easier for the user while they try and correct the issue or get a better undersrnading on the runnings of the system. A sandbed is the largest living organism in the system. And maintaining that system is not easy for everyone for a multitude of reasons. And just because you can and do, doesn't mean the next will have the same abilities to do so with the same success.

Frankly nutrient problems, algea problems, should in today's indistry be a rarity and not a norm. There simple to control and manage. But those who don't know how to mange them can't get the information they need because we love to overshadow inforamtion with our self promoting.

Oh, okay. Excuse me while I get back to my self promoting and not making any money by not selling sand. Incidentally, you'll find my ebook on amazon soon. Only $14.95. My personal success course should be ready for the spotlight shortly after that. Referral programs will be in place at launch. Live the life you want to live, get a barebottom reef.

[Masonjames]

Originally Posted by albert_dao

Oh, okay. Excuse me while I get back to my self promoting and not making any money by not selling sand. Incidentally, you'll find my ebook on amazon soon. Only $14.95. My personal success course should be ready for the spotlight shortly after that. Referral programs will be in place at launch. Live the life you want to live, get a barebottom reef.

I think your confused on the intent of my post. The information and observation you originally presented was the information I am supporting.

Non the less... I agree. Reefing is made easy when the hardest part to maintain is removed. Running a coral tank is so simple when we're not trying to run a sewage treatment plant along side.

[hfp75]

I like a sand bed and don't generally have a problem with them either....

I have a belief system though....

A sand bed is it's own ecosystem within the equarium. As such it needs it's own attention. I keep a sand star sand sifting goby and both Astra and nassarius snails plentiful if my system to turn the sand.... The key is turning the sand... And that combo does it... I don't aim power heads at it or anything....

I am currently running biopellets and Rowa so my nutrients are low... Which helps with keeping algae at bay, but before the biopellets with just Rowa I would from time to time get some algae that would start on the sand and with a water change I would just vacume it all up and out.... Wash the sand a dump it back in....

If you have a system with excess nutrients they will go somewhere..... Hopefully it's out with a water change.... Or they will find their own way to be 'productive' as in algae.

With all my tanks in the beginning with the blooms I run a few scoops of red slime remover with the skimmer off for a few days then skim it out... I find it really helps in the beginning.

It comes down to TWO things:
1- EXCESS nutrients - run a PO4 remover and biopellets.... Or more water changes
2- livestock NOT turning over your sand - go BUY the items I listed above.

Pick which your failing at and fix it....

I would wonder how much macros help.... I run a few types and chaeto is the best grower by far and home to some life. Maybe the macros just take the easy nutrients on the first pass and the leftovers get used by the pellets and Rowa.

I tried the 'no name' high capacity gfo and it did nothing!!! I measured the PO4 in the tank and the output from the reactor an hour later and it was the same - I now only use ROWA cause it works for me and I can measure the difference...

[Masonjames]

Originally Posted by albert_dao

Oh, okay. Excuse me while I get back to my self promoting and not making any money by not selling sand. Incidentally, you'll find my ebook on amazon soon. Only $14.95. My personal success course should be ready for the spotlight shortly after that. Referral programs will be in place at launch. Live the life you want to live, get a barebottom reef.

But you should sell sand. Then, all the equipment to support that system, then all the chemicals and medias, dosing regimiments, etc etc. That's just good business. The rest of the industry plants it's backbone on maintaing a sewage treatment plant. Why shouldn't you. Lol

[albert_dao]

Originally Posted by Masonjames

But you should sell sand. Then, all the equipment to support that system, then all the chemicals and medias, dosing regimiments, etc etc. That's just good business. The rest of the industry plants it's backbone on maintaing a sewage treatment plant. Why shouldn't you. Lol

Cuz that's what bitches do. I'm not a bitch.