Dipping live rock

[don.ald]

Why the garbage??

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by don.ald

Why the garbage??

Rock that is old, especially from a low flow area such as a sump, IMO will be full of crud (PO4). I just removed 3 yo rock from my tank from a high flow area and it was full of crap.
Also, I have to question why the addition of rock is warranted? What purpose does it serve, other than trapping detritus in the sump? Was additional denitrification needed? How was this determined?
Simply adding more rock for the sake of adding more rock seems pointless. More is not better.

[don.ald]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Rock that is old, especially from a low flow area such as a sump, IMO will be full of crud (PO4). I just removed 3 yo rock from my tank from a high flow area and it was full of crap.
Also, I have to question why the addition of rock is warranted? What purpose does it serve, other than trapping detritus in the sump? Was additional denitrification needed? How was this determined?
Simply adding more rock for the sake of adding more rock seems pointless. More is not better.

So, when you remove rock from your system do you cook it and replace or do you purchase new "fresh" rock to replace?

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by don.ald

So, when you remove rock from your system do you cook it and replace or do you purchase new "fresh" rock to replace?

When I remove rock, it goes in the garden. My line of thought is that rock in a closed system has a finite lifespan. To alleviate this somewhat, I regularly turkey baste the exposed rock to clear the pores.
At the 3 year mark of my tank, 90% of my rock has been replaced. NO3 and PO4 still 0. I have never had measurable amounts of either. Based on that, I'm going to stick to my ideas on old rock

[Aquattro]

Further, I do think you can "recycle" used rock to a degree by cooking, and maybe get a year or three more out of it. Buying new rock is tough, as most LFS that I know of don't have new rock, they have used rock that they buy from people shutting down. So unless you're ordering a fresh box, you may get worse rock than you took out.

[don.ald]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

Further, Buying new rock is tough, as most LFS that I know of don't have new rock, they have used rock that they buy from people shutting down. So unless you're ordering a fresh box, you may get worse rock than you took out.

Funny, this how most of us start out in the hobby. And this old rock isn't cheap!

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by don.ald

Funny, this how most of us start out in the hobby. And this old rock isn't cheap!

Oh, I know. My first big tank, a 150g, had almost 250 pounds of rock. Essentially a sewer with corals. Brown corals always had nutrient problems. Once I moved away from the rock pile look and used minimal rock, my tank has never been better.

[Madreefer]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I've always thought that live rock was an excellent source of a "natural flirtation". I've always kept lots of live rock in my sumps over the years. I won't use filter socks so there there is a build up of detritus in my sump. But all WCs are done in the sump and I vacuum it out with a shopvac every couple of months. I have about 75lbs in my sump right now.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Madreefer

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I've always thought that live rock was an excellent source of a "natural flirtation". I've always kept lots of live rock in my sumps over the years. I won't use filter socks so there there is a build up of detritus in my sump. But all WCs are done in the sump and I vacuum it out with a shopvac every couple of months. I have about 75lbs in my sump right now.

Bill, yes, the rock is filtration, but the amount needed is usually far less than most people add. Between the rock in the display and any sand/substrate, you have more than enough bacteria to filter most tanks. Adding more to the sump isn't required. If you have 0 or near 0 nitrate, you probably don't need more filtration.
Also, the ability to filter nutrients is dependent on the porosity of the rock, and rock that sits in the sump tends to plug up quickly, and therefore becomes useless as a filter. Going one step further, it will eventually begin to leach nutrients back into the system.

[Madreefer]

Ok thanks for the explanation. I'm a picky bastard so I don't let a lot of detritus to build up