Jebao Pumps - Illegal?

Jeff000 · #1 11-05-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by uniboob

I think because it is being submerged in water/around hazardous environment makes them NEED to have certification.

From ESA site:

The OESC Rule 2-022(3) (c) specifies some exceptions to electrical product approval requirements. Electrical equipment does not require approval if it connected to the load side of an approved Class 2 power supply whose power output does not exceed 100 V

This. The fact that it's plugged in is what makes it OK.

Insurance will still cover you, they cover if your cigarette burns your house down.

StirCrazy · #2 11-06-2013, 12:43 AM

ok I did a bunch of reading and in some cases if there is a problem caused by a non-CSA appliance then your insurance could be void, but doesn't seem to be much of that happening. one other interesting thing I did find was

"Provincial laws in Canada stipulate that electrical appliances connected to a public power source (commercial power source) must conform to CSA Standards."

so if they wanted to the goverment could come after you under this clause. and I did read in a bunch of places (ontario being one) that it is ileagal for a business to import and sell non csa equipment. probably a ton of exemptions for that one though, mind you I remember a while ago in victoria having to buy heaters cash only and they wern't on display as they were not "CSA" aproved. so aparently one vendor new they were not suposed to be selling them and didn't want to be caught, and for the record they were awsome heaters

Steve

Aquattro · #3 11-06-2013, 01:01 AM

I figure if a fire starts, just point the pump in that direction, the flow will extinguish it for sure!!

mike31154 · #4 11-06-2013, 03:03 AM

Interesting read, this thread. Seems we get a nice & fuzzy when we see the required label & code on something from a reputable company, but sound the alarm bells if we're not quite sure the source is or is not reputable. I have no idea what actually goes on at "UL", but it's probably safe to assume that they don't scrutinize every single product of a given manufacturer down to the last detail. They probably don't even disassemble the 'to be certified' item to any great degree. Nor do they go to the manufacturer's assembly plant to see what goes on there. If a manufacturer seeking certification for a product has done their homework & provides all the spec sheets & possibly engineering data for the product they want certified, the boys & girls at UL probably don't even look at it before giving it the green light. I'm just guessing with those assumptions & could be totally off the mark. But if they actually do all the tests required for a 'safe' certification on a sample product, what's to stop a manufacturer from cutting corners after they have the coveted label? The manufacturer is also at the mercy of suppliers of other components that are part of the assembled end product. Could get a bad batch of wire for the power supply they're putting together with the UL label on it. You could end up with a Monday morning or Friday afternoon power supply!

I guess what I'm attempting to get across here is that a UL or CSA sticker on an electrical component is no absolute guarantee that it might not blow up in your face anyway. Chances are probably better than with one of 'dubious' heritage, but given the dumb things folks do with electrical stuff, certified or not, (like fully submerging a 110 volt heater, control head and all, under water) some will burn their houses down regardless of a sticker. And the whole low voltage thing can be misleading as h. If you've ever taken a long metal object & shorted it across a 12 volt 120 ampere/hour battery you will know what arc welding is all about. Might not get a shock, but can start a fire just as easily as a higher voltage component.

So yeah, by all means have a close look at all the electrics you have plugged in, not only on your tank, but around the house. It's usually pretty easy to determine if it's a good quality product & safe to use. More importantly, use the item as intended, especially around water.

For me, the fewer things with electrical cords actually in the water the better. This is why I prefer EcoTech power heads over Koralias or Jebaos, even Tunzes. Not because of a sticker on the power supply.

mark · #5 11-06-2013, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StirCrazy

ok I did a bunch of reading and in some cases if there is a problem caused by a non-CSA appliance then your insurance could be void.

Steve

I'd be less than impressed that if I bought something from a local retailer in that voided my insurance.

nrosdal · #6 11-06-2013, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mark

I'd be less than impressed that if I bought something from a local retailer in that voided my insurance.

Yes, that would suck. But luckily the Jebao stuff has real certs so we are all good here

DAVE · #7 11-06-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nrosdal

Yes, that would suck. But luckily the Jebao stuff has real certs so we are all good here

Did I miss something? Did you get the paperwork?

mseepman · #8 11-06-2013, 04:43 PM

From his post, it sounds like Nick got some information. I hope it is good as I have Jebao pumps myself. I'm sure he will post when he has an opportunity.

If indeed everything is good...then I think it would be interesting to look back on the posts here at the "I know" statements and the "illegal" statements and consider how quickly people can jump to conclusions and things get out of hand. When we look at even the confusion and lack of true knowledge that the inspector had on the Canadacorals warehouse build thread, we see how things get blown out of proportion when there was no reason for it. Just my 2 cents.

nrosdal · #9 11-06-2013, 05:26 PM

When i posted that last night i was just assuming that people are being over reacting weiners and that it seemed silly to assume fraud just because some unknown person said that something that looks very legit coming from a company with more then 10 years history in pumps(mostly pond early on) may be forged.

But this morning i got an email from the Jebao rep i deal with and i have some links to calm the folks down a bit.

One thing i did learn is that the adjustable power supplies (as an add on and not included with pump) are not ul or cul and even though i don't find that to be a problem and will keep running mine i will remove them from sale as i don't want to get involved in supplying people with something that may be even 1% unsafe. Especially when i am selling them as an add on at my cost as a convenience for my customers.

Here is Certification for the wp25/wp40/wp60 power supply:

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/t...439&sequence=1

nrosdal · #10 11-06-2013, 05:32 PM