My new Astro "Black Ice" Clown Babies!!!

[paddyob]

Careful renaming. As using two fish from a breeder still results in the name of the fish you started with.

What are you breeding to begin with?

[Timbits]

Originally Posted by paddyob

Careful renaming. As using two fish from a breeder still results in the name of the fish you started with.

What are you breeding to begin with?

Thanks for the heads up! I think it is ok to rename your own offspring though as I've seen many other breeders do it and all the large wholesalers. ORA calls their Picasso offspring "ORA Picasso," and Sustainable Aquatics calls their Picasso offspring "SA Picasso" regardless of where they came from. I believe what you produce is your own so you can name them anything you want.

The parents are Black ice Snowflake Ocellaris clowns. When I saw the babies they produced I just thought "Astro" was a cute name and suited them.

[paddyob]

Originally Posted by Timbits

Thanks for the heads up! I think it is ok to rename your own offspring though as I've seen many other breeders do it and all the large wholesalers. ORA calls their Picasso offspring "ORA Picasso," and Sustainable Aquatics calls their Picasso offspring "SA Picasso" regardless of where they came from. I believe what you produce is your own so you can name them anything you want.

The parents are Black ice Snowflake Ocellaris clowns. When I saw the babies they produced I just thought "Astro" was a cute name and suited them.

No. If you breed two SA black ice. They are still SA black ice. If you look at SA website. They even credit Another breeder for a line they have.

[Timbits]

Originally Posted by paddyob

No. If you breed two SA black ice. They are still SA black ice. If you look at SA website. They even credit Another breeder for a line they have.

True. Yes, they are still SA black ice because that's their lineage. But I still think you can name them anything you want as long as its not patented.

I found a quote from Matthew Carberry, President of SA - "SA hasn’t and has no plans to trademark a fish/coral name. I’m happy about this too–it makes a consistent presentation to the hobbyist/trade that makes it easier to see what you are getting. We call our fish “SA XXX” just to designate where they were bred versus another breeder working on the same morph. Use of different names for the same morph is confusing to the hobbyist.”

[Myka]

Well done! Nice looking fish too!

Paddy is right though, two Black Ice make Black Ice babies. It is "proper" to keep the naming consistent, but you can add your "brand" ahead of the name. You can use "Astro" as your brand name in place of "SA" or "ORA". If these ones are "Astro Black Ice" then future fish might be "Astro Picasso" or "Astro Clarkii". That is the "proper" way to name fish so that lineage isn't lost. If you're just a hobbyist breeder, and not a producer then it really doesn't matter much though since you would just be supplying your local market.

I'm not sure what your intentions are in the future, but I would like to warn you that continually producing large numbers of "designer" fish that normally sell at high prices you will flood your market and will be forced to either sell below value and then devalue the fish in your area which just hurts the captive bred market as a whole. If you can't sell them, they will get too big and will start to kill each other. Please don't ever produce more fish than you can sell at fair market price.

Keep up the good work, and keep in mind the big picture.

[Timbits]

Thanks Myka! I agree as well that it is proper to keep the naming consistent. I guess I will just call them black ice clowns to not make it confusing. I will keep that in mind also! Thank you!

[Timbits]

UPDATE

The little babies are doing really well! They have grown so much and have outgrown their little 10 gallon tank. In a few days, I will transfer them to a 20 gallon tank so they will have more room to swim and play. Wish I had a camera right now so I can show you all how much they've grown. Their color has gotten more pronounced too. The black is more black and there is also a blue hue that outlines the white. Really cool. I'll post some pictures up in a few days hopefully when I have a camera. Oh ya there is also one little guy I found that is completely white, looks exactly like a Wyoming white. The only one in the whole batch. I'll try to capture a pic of him. I know Picassos produce platinums so can black ice possibly produce a Wyoming white?