anybody using the jebao wp 40 or 25's

[The Codfather]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

I was under the impression there was a patent proceeding in progress. IF there's a patent infringement and they've stolen the design, it's theft; that doesn't seem complicated to me.

No, there is no infringment. Do you honestly think tunze had the origional design? No, they modified a powerhead themselves, and have tried to stop other companies from using something similar.
Vortech on the other hand, there is a clear new design development.

[Slick Fork]

Originally Posted by The Codfather

No, there is no infringment. Do you honestly think tunze had the origional design? No, they modified a powerhead themselves, and have tried to stop other companies from using something similar.
Vortech on the other hand, there is a clear new design development.

If Tunze has sent out a letter, they feel there's an infringement. I couldn't find anything other then talk about the letter, and I really should be working... but at a quick glance it does look like just a cease and desist letter right now. Sometimes that's the prelude to legal action, sometimes it ends with the letter.

Regardless, to me it looks like they've ripped off Tunze's innovation and design; as far as I know, it is Tunze's design. Show me where someone had a powerhead designed like that prior to Tunze and I'll happily eat my words.

[Reef Supplies]

Originally Posted by The Codfather

Vortech on the other hand, there is a clear new design development.

What about WP-40 VS MP-40, I wonder if Ecotech is cooking something up?

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

If Tunze has sent out a letter, they feel there's an infringement. I couldn't find anything other then talk about the letter, and I really should be working... but at a quick glance it does look like just a cease and desist letter right now. Sometimes that's the prelude to legal action, sometimes it ends with the letter.

Regardless, to me it looks like they've ripped off Tunze's innovation and design; as far as I know, it is Tunze's design. Show me where someone had a powerhead designed like that prior to Tunze and I'll happily eat my words.

Big brands always send out letters whenever they sense any form of unavoidable competition

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Reef Supplies

What about WP-40 VS MP-40, I wonder if Ecotech is cooking something up?

There's no "proof" that jebao stole WP-40 from MP-40's naming style (although it' s obvious). A mere twist of naming should never be considered as "steeling". The vocabulary is limited but the imagination is not and that's where "coincidences" occur.

[Reef Supplies]

Originally Posted by mrhasan

There's no "proof" that jebao stole WP-40 from MP-40's naming style (although it' s obvious). A mere twist of naming should never be considered as "steeling". The vocabulary is limited but the imagination is not and that's where "coincidences" occur.

Maybe, just curious to see if they are cooking up something.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Reef Supplies

Maybe, just curious to see if they are cooking up something.

I don't think they will do anything. Ecotech's market is much bigger than just their powerhead. Jebao has not put any sort of mark on their product in terms of anything. And I think ecotech have already responded to it to some extend, by reducing their price a bit. A much better move than tunzi issuing a letter

[daniella3d]

I am buying a product sold legally by legit and reputable stores. Get your facts right. Not stolen equipment.

Originally Posted by Slick Fork

They can sell them for cheaper because they use ultra cheap labour, and stole the design so they don't have any research and development costs to recover. If the judge in the lawsuit finds them guilty of patent violation than buying their pumps is no different than buying equipment from someone who stole it from a warehouse. Theft is theft; doesn't matter if you like Tunze or not.

[Magma]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I guess I'm probably an "old timer", although I wouldn't suggest not buying these. While I love my Tunze pumps, I'll probably buy a couple of these.

Ok maybe Old timer is the wrong choice. Brand Junkie? Im just sick if reading numerous forums (not just canreef) where people who have been in the hobby for a long time, provide information to newbies such as "You should only use Radion LED's because thats what I use and if you cant use those then nothing else will do"

Or even people reading other threads saying this "letter" is now legal action when its all just rumors floating around forums which have been twisted through the power of the internet into this big problem which its really not. But again because these people wont buy a cheaper product because they have to have the brand name. Then they end up projecting there own feelings onto it and twist it even further for the next guy to read even more false information.

Again just my $0.02

[donkey77]

Originally Posted by rhody605

I have a wp-40 on my 80g. Works awesome. Buying the voltage controller for the extra $10 is a must. I have it down to 15v from the original 24v so my lps doesn't get blown to bits.
And dead silent.

I would highly recommend them.

mike were would i buy a voltage reg