anybody using the jebao wp 40 or 25's

[Reef Supplies]

Bob, is right about the components..most come from China. BUT, that is not the problem. The problem with "made in china" is quality control. Bob, you and I both know first hand about quality control and made in china.

I have a friend who is the VP of a billion $ company and all of their products are made in China. They have 5 quality control firms whom they work with. These firms have multiple employees and every step of the manufacturing line making 100% sure the end product is up to standards. Their QC cost more than the manufacturing! That is how they get quality products our of China.

This is not to say the Jebo's are not good pumps, I'm sure they are for they money. We don't know long they will last but at $100....they can't be to bad.

As a business owner I would not go near those pumps until this whole Tunze ordeal is over. I respect the Tunze brand to much to monetize from an obvious copy.

Ray

Originally Posted by The Codfather

They work great. I have 2 of the 40's on my tank, but have them ramped right down. I'm actually going to do 4 of the 25's instead when they arrive.
Anybody who thinks that everything out of china doesn't work as well or is going to malfunction in some way, has got to open their eyes. The majority of components, even in the big brand names comes from where?? I'll give you one guess.....if they tell you any different, well....

[The Codfather]

Originally Posted by Reef Supplies

Bob, is right about the components..most come from China. BUT, that is not the problem. The problem with "made in china" is quality control. Bob, you and I both know first hand about quality control and made in china.

This is not to say the Jebo's are not good pumps, I'm sure they are for they money. We don't know long they will last but at $100....they can't be to bad.

As a business owner I would not go near those pumps until this whole Tunze ordeal is over. I respect the Tunze brand to much to monetize from an obvious copy.

Ray

True, very true. All I was saying is that like it or not, the vast majority of components come from off shore companies. To say that anything made in said country is junk is just not true. The fact is that it was assembled in another country with those very components. As long as QC is in place, I cannot see why a product wouldnt be as good.
As for tunze, I agree, top quality. Customer service that is no doubt the top of the list. The same could be said about you Ray, Ive always had nothing but good service from you....

[Reef Supplies]

Originally Posted by The Codfather

True, very true. All I was saying is that like it or not, the vast majority of components come from off shore companies. To say that anything made in said country is junk is just not true. The fact is that it was assembled in another country with those very components. As long as QC is in place, I cannot see why a product wouldnt be as good.

Yupp, we need to get used to that fact!

I was renovating one of my apartments last week and we are all amazed that the flooring i bought was "made in germany". 4 guys standing around a box oooh and awing lol. We have become so accustomed with made in china that it becomes a treat when it's not. heh!

Originally Posted by The Codfather

As for tunze, I agree, top quality. Customer service that is no doubt the top of the list. The same could be said about you Ray, Ive always had nothing but good service from you....

Thanks for the kind words!

Ray

[Reef Pilot]

When I was a kid, still remember people saying the same thing about Japan, how their stuff was junk. Well, that sure changed with time...

Then more recently about Korea. Certainly don't hear that anymore either, if anything their quality is probably tops right now.

[asylumdown]

Originally Posted by Reef Supplies

As a business owner I would not go near those pumps until this whole Tunze ordeal is over. I respect the Tunze brand to much to monetize from an obvious copy.

Ray

TO be fair, there's only so many ways a pump can look. In this case I would agree with you that it is a pretty obvious copy, even their branding is an obvious trademark rip off - but that said, Tunze's pumps are a form that follows function, and there's a limited number of forms that can achieve said function, so it's not surprising that a 'knock off' would look similar.

If Behr was the first company to ever release a blue paint, would that somehow give them a universal, life-long right to blue paints?

As someone who wants high caliber products I try to be loyal to companies that make them, but as a consumer with finite resources, I REALLY don't like it when I find someone producing a nearly identical product and selling it at a fraction of the cost while still remaining profitable. It makes me feel like the company that I've been loyal to has been ripping me off.

arguments about quality control and where the components came from aside, a tunze and a jebao both move a certain amount of water, and come with similar features and controllability. If the the only thing that sets Tunze apart from Jebao in the long-run is that it's got a fancy brand name, I think they're going to be in trouble and need to start innovating a little more aggressively as I'm sure Jebao will eventually have every feature one could want from a water pump and still be considerably less expensive. If your product costs several times more than your competitors, I really do feel like there should be a good and tangible justification, and China-phobia isn't one of them.

[Magma]

I have to throw my $0.02 into this.

I have the Evergrow D120 units, 3 them actually and I LOVE them my corals are happy and noticeable growth within only a few months of use. Yes they are made from China but you know what im happy with them. Not to mention all 3 units cost me less (Shipped to my door) then 1 radion unit...

I just purchased a WP40 from www.reefsupplycanada.com from the group buy im sure its going to be exactly what I want. Every review I have ever seen on them gives them praise for being so well built.

My question is why do all the "Old Timers" need to make us newbie reef junkies feel like we need to go bankrupt to have a tank? Just because that was the norm 10 years ago? 20 years ago? Times have changed and the so have the cost to make products for keeping fish. I cant even count on my hands the amount of times I have seen posts or talked to people about which product would be better and someone with 10 years in the hobby has to chime and say "Only use this product because its what I use!" and the price is double or triple of other brands. It really hits a cord with me when people think price is the only thing that matters.

Im going to use the wp40 on my tank and plan to until it stops working if thats a year or two who knows but im still further ahead trying it rather than letting the rumor mill explode with false info.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Magma

My question is why do all the "Old Timers" need to make us newbie reef junkies feel like we need to go bankrupt to have a tank?

I guess I'm probably an "old timer", although I wouldn't suggest not buying these. While I love my Tunze pumps, I'll probably buy a couple of these.

[mrhasan]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I guess I'm probably an "old timer", although I wouldn't suggest not buying these. While I love my Tunze pumps, I'll probably buy a couple of these.

I think the term should have been "brand lovers". I find "old timers" to be more practical in choosing things that "works" instead of just relying on the imprinted names.

[Magma]

Originally Posted by Aquattro

I guess I'm probably an "old timer", although I wouldn't suggest not buying these. While I love my Tunze pumps, I'll probably buy a couple of these.

Ok maybe Old timer is the wrong choice. Brand Junkie? Im just sick if reading numerous forums (not just canreef) where people who have been in the hobby for a long time, provide information to newbies such as "You should only use Radion LED's because thats what I use and if you cant use those then nothing else will do"

Or even people reading other threads saying this "letter" is now legal action when its all just rumors floating around forums which have been twisted through the power of the internet into this big problem which its really not. But again because these people wont buy a cheaper product because they have to have the brand name. Then they end up projecting there own feelings onto it and twist it even further for the next guy to read even more false information.

Again just my $0.02

[Zoaelite]

Originally Posted by Magma

Ok maybe Old timer is the wrong choice. Brand Junkie? Im just sick if reading numerous forums (not just canreef) where people who have been in the hobby for a long time, provide information to newbies such as "You should only use Radion LED's because thats what I use and if you cant use those then nothing else will do"

Or even people reading other threads saying this "letter" is now legal action when its all just rumors floating around forums which have been twisted through the power of the internet into this big problem which its really not. But again because these people wont buy a cheaper product because they have to have the brand name. Then they end up projecting there own feelings onto it and twist it even further for the next guy to read even more false information.

Again just my $0.02

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