Feel like quitting...

ScubaSteve · #1 05-27-2013, 03:45 PM

I think the others covered it, so I'll just say: I know the feeling. I set a a small experimental tank in my kitchen and put clowns in there for my GF. Seems clowns have a magical ability to teleport into my pumps. No matter what I try to do to make the tank safer, they still seem to find a way into the pump. Several clownfish later and i've given up... Can't imagine going through several tangs.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with the powder blue. Those fish seem to just always be sick. I don't think I've ever seen one that actually looks healthy. Nice fish, but they seem like too much of a headache to me.

scubadawg · #2 05-27-2013, 04:55 PM

Too many water changes, not letting the tank cycle on its own, not letting build up its beneficial bateria

Ken · #3 05-27-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scubadawg

Too many water changes, not letting the tank cycle on its own, not letting build up its beneficial bateria

Agreed, let the tank mature, building up the biological bacteria takes time & letting new fish quarantine in the lfs for a good length of time. Regards Ken

halwake · #4 05-27-2013, 11:09 PM

Thanks for the support everyone. Had everyone in the 36 gallon that was running for 1.5 years put into 45 gallon rubbermaid for treatment before I got replies. Cupramine at half dose, Flame angel did not tolerate it, moved him back to the 36 gallon establised tank. Kole was doing good then took a turn for the worse. Pretty sure he will not pull through. Moved him back to the 36 gallon. Yellow seems to be tolerating it for now. The 120 is still running with just my clean up crew, my mandarin I've had for a year and cleaner shrimp. Scared to add anyboby until this is all sorted out. The water changes I was doing were on the QT tank only just to make sure there was no ammonia, have been adding stability as well. Cupramine even at half dose and slowly introoduced seems to be the common denominator. Should I just remove it and do hypo now like a few people have said?

SanguinesDream · #5 05-27-2013, 11:32 PM

Where are you getting your fish from?

I am up here too and the nearest marine store is 4 hours from you. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the source is your issue.

halwake · #6 05-28-2013, 12:20 AM

JL, I have had excellent luck with them, don't think that is the issue. I feel like I am grasping at straws right now.

SanguinesDream · #7 05-28-2013, 02:04 AM

From Vancouver? Are they being flown in because that is a long way. How are you acclimating them?

By the way, it is great to know that there is another reefer up here. If you ever want to split an order or need a hand, just give me a shout!

daniella3d · #8 05-28-2013, 03:18 AM

If you use Cupramine you cannot use a product to bind with ammonia as it will bind with the amine in Cupramine and then release the copper into a toxic form. Did you use any ammonia binder like Prime with the Cupramine? That would bind with the amines in cupramine and release the copper into a toxic form, at least from what I understood.

http://www.seachem.com/support/forum...ead.php?t=3880

They say Stability is safe, but not ammonia binders.

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Originally Posted by halwake

The water changes I was doing were on the QT tank only just to make sure there was no ammonia, have been adding stability as well. Cupramine even at half dose and slowly introoduced seems to be the common denominator. Should I just remove it and do hypo now like a few people have said?

halwake · #9 05-28-2013, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by daniella3d

If you use Cupramine you cannot use a product to bind with ammonia as it will bind with the amine in Cupramine and then release the copper into a toxic form. Did you use any ammonia binder like Prime with the Cupramine? That would bind with the amines in cupramine and release the copper into a toxic form, at least from what I understood.

http://www.seachem.com/support/forum...ead.php?t=3880

They say Stability is safe, but not ammonia binders.

I read that as well, never used Prime, used RODI water to mix salt. Then half dose cupramine spread out into three doses about fifteen minutes apart. Just used stability to help with good bacteria. Really bothers me to lose fish, especially now ones I have had a year and a half.

naesco · #10 05-28-2013, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by halwake

Thanks for the support everyone. Had everyone in the 36 gallon that was running for 1.5 years put into 45 gallon rubbermaid for treatment before I got replies. Cupramine at half dose, Flame angel did not tolerate it, moved him back to the 36 gallon establised tank. Kole was doing good then took a turn for the worse. Pretty sure he will not pull through. Moved him back to the 36 gallon. Yellow seems to be tolerating it for now. The 120 is still running with just my clean up crew, my mandarin I've had for a year and cleaner shrimp. Scared to add anyboby until this is all sorted out. The water changes I was doing were on the QT tank only just to make sure there was no ammonia, have been adding stability as well. Cupramine even at half dose and slowly introoduced seems to be the common denominator. Should I just remove it and do hypo now like a few people have said?

It may not surprise a few with my candid comment but you are not a newbie. Why the rush?

Cycling and testing ammonia should be old hat for you.

Why would you choose a powder blue and an Achilles , both very difficult tangs to keep.

Why did you repeat your mistakes by ordering more tangs when things were not ok?

You seemed to know that adding three tangs at the same time were ok but a 120 gallon is too small for one tang(except the kole) let alone three tangs.

It was so sad for me to read your thread.