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Old 03-14-2013, 07:24 PM
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Okay,

But I heard the correlation goes both ways. If you don't have enough phosphates, bio pellets will not be able to reduce nitrates and since I have high nitrates and supposedly low phosphates, I was thinking I didn't want to run GFO until my nitrates came down. I hope to pick up my GFO from Eli soon, but I wasn't going to use it until my nitrates levels were closer to 0. Should I start it up earlier?
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:44 PM
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If the bacteria in the biopellets are really using nutrients according to the redfield ratio, they use 16 times less phosphorous than nitrogen. You can have very low Phosphate levels and still have nitrate reduction taking place in your pellets. If you're really worried, you should start with a very small amount of GFO so that the levels don't plummet to zero in a few hours (that's good practice anyway).
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If the bacteria in the biopellets are really using nutrients according to the redfield ratio, they use 16 times less phosphorous than nitrogen. You can have very low Phosphate levels and still have nitrate reduction taking place in your pellets. If you're really worried, you should start with a very small amount of GFO so that the levels don't plummet to zero in a few hours (that's good practice anyway).
Yeah, but if I have 0.02 to 0.03 Phosphates atm and >25 Nitrates (which could mean 100 for all I know) I would almost like to increase my phosphates in the short term to reduce my nitrates faster. Or at least I think I do.
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Maybe just hold off on the gfo for now and monitor the NO3. If it looks like it's coming down, leave it as-is but maybe once it gets to 10 or so (I'm just pulling this number out of the air arbitrarily) then go ahead and put the GFO on.
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Maybe just hold off on the gfo for now and monitor the NO3. If it looks like it's coming down, leave it as-is but maybe once it gets to 10 or so (I'm just pulling this number out of the air arbitrarily) then go ahead and put the GFO on.
yah I think this is the best advice. 0.02-0.03 phosphate isn't bad, actually some people strive for that level.

The pellets take a while to do their thing.
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I would be happy if I had that level of phosphate in my tank. It's at 0.1 and has been for a long time.

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yah I think this is the best advice. 0.02-0.03 phosphate isn't bad, actually some people strive for that level.

The pellets take a while to do their thing.
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I would be happy if I had that level of phosphate in my tank. It's at 0.1 and has been for a long time.
Do you run GFO?

I can pretty tell how much P04 I have by how fast the algae grows on my glass. When it gets up to .1, I change my GFO, and then it is again down to between 0 and .04. It slowly creeps up over about 2 months, and then I change it.

I only use about 200 ml of HC GFO in my reactor. I also give my reactors (carbon and GFO) an air bubble flush when I clean the 1st canister, which then stirs up the GFO, and the levels drop down again. But when the P04 stays up, then I know it is time to change it.

I also run a bio pellet reactor (N03 always zero now), so it may take out a bit of P04, too. Lately, though, I have really let my bio pellets run low in this reactor (only about 200 ml in it now), but will not add any until I start seeing some nitrates again.

And to think that 2 years ago, this same tank had over 50 ppm N03 (as high as 100 at one time), and P04 at 1.0.
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