DC pumps:huge power savings, really?

[subman jr.]

I am using a dc5000 and dc10000 both internally and love them. The changes they made for the new pumps should fix all the things that needed to be tweaked.
-better housing and threads (it's not 11/4 npt its something close but not quite)
-improved impeller for better pressure while maintaining the low power consumption
-and able to be controlled externally.

With that being said I love the pumps and am very happy with them over all


****Subman's post not jr's*******

[Parker]

Originally Posted by subman jr.

I am using a dc5000 and dc10000 both internally and love them. The changes they made for the new pumps should fix all the things that needed to be tweaked.
-better housing and threads (it's not 11/4 npt its something close but not quite)
-improved impeller for better pressure while maintaining the low power consumption
-and able to be controlled externally.

With that being said I love the pumps and am very happy with them over all


****Subman's post not jr's*******

That's good news, I was considering a 10000 for a return pump.

[Madmak]

Originally Posted by Parker

That's good news, I was considering a 10000 for a return pump.

I'm using one and it moves a lot of water!

[subman]

The pump it replaced had just under 2000gph but drew 30 watts more.

[Parker]

I'll be repurposing one of my darts so one of these could take it's place. I'd like to replace all the darts at some point but I'll be waiting until they come out with some higher flow models that are externaly controlable .

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[FragIt Dan]

Rumor has it that the 0-10V/RJ45 controllable versions (DC6000 and DC12000) will be shipping in March. As for flow rates on the existing models, the link that Parker put up to the RC thread a few posts back references Diablo pumps and the strong similarities they share with the Wavelines. Here is a graph of the flow on the Diablos which is likely similar to the Wavelines.

[Baldy]

Originally Posted by Parker

This thread might be worth a read regarding the Wavelines, not sure if the issues have been addressed.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2221830

Originally Posted by intarsiabox

Not really, you can get VFD's (variable frequency drives) to control AC pumps. A lot of commercial/industrial buildings use this method for their pumps and fans to cut down on energy costs. Small VFD's have come down in price a lot but whether the cost of adding one would save you any money in the long run or not I couldn't say, and not at all if you are just going to run the pump at 100% all day long. Not all motors are VFD compatible either so that is something else to confirm. If I were starting from scratch and needed a return pump I would go with a DC model if it was as capable as a similarily priced AC pump in an instant.

It would be really interesting to see the cost and performance numbers for a vfd and 3 phase pump setup. Even if you run it at 100% 3 phase motors are more efficient, and run smoother and quieter than single phase motors. A vfd would still be needed at 100% to change single phase power to 3 phase. I've looked around online for something like this, but haven't found anything.

[sphelps]

I really only purchased the wavelines for the ability to control them externally with 0-10V when a new controller would be released. Kind of annoying it seems I'll have to buy two new pumps if I want that feature. Looks like a completely new design as well so current versions will probably be discontinued along with any hopes of obtaining replacement parts, also annoying seeing how they just came out, literally.

Some of these companies need to do proper R&D and testing prior to releasing products to the public. We're not your beta testers.

[FragIt Dan]

The link that Parker posted up made reference to the expectation of an easy hack to make the 10000's 0-10v controllable. I agree it is not good of them and think it is BS... but making the best of the existing situation perhaps with a mod you wouldn't have to replace them. I understand the controller can be unplugged from the pump? If this is the case the new controller with the RJ45 should be an easy swap onto your existing pump, assuming they make the plugs the same. Just and idea.
Dan

Originally Posted by sphelps

I really only purchased the wavelines for the ability to control them externally with 0-10V when a new controller would be released. Kind of annoying it seems I'll have to buy two new pumps if I want that feature. Looks like a completely new design as well so current versions will probably be discontinued along with any hopes of obtaining replacement parts, also annoying seeing how they just came out, literally.

Some of these companies need to do proper R&D and testing prior to releasing products to the public. We're not your beta testers.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by FragIt Dan

The link that Parker posted up made reference to the expectation of an easy hack to make the 10000's 0-10v controllable. I agree it is not good of them and think it is BS... but making the best of the existing situation perhaps with a mod you wouldn't have to replace them. I understand the controller can be unplugged from the pump? If this is the case the new controller with the RJ45 should be an easy swap onto your existing pump, assuming they make the plugs the same. Just and idea.
Dan

I missed that link I'll have to look for it. While you can unplug the controller from the pump the statement made by reefbuilders about the IC chip being removed from the pump to the new controller seems to suggest it won't be compatible.