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Old 12-19-2012, 07:36 PM
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I haven't read the entire thread - but do you have a PAR meter? Especially if the colors are in the blues on the LEDs... the amount of PAR given off by LED's is very strong on some models and under-rated on the blue colors- so much so that it burns corals. Perhaps the browning is this too?

LED's may looks dimmer to the human eye - but not a PAR meter. Thought I would give that input..
It's a common misconception that a typical PAR meter can be used to accurately measure PAR of LED fixtures. But your are correct that LEDs appear dimmer than other types of lighting due to being a more focused beam and having a more narrow spectrum. However with more full spectrum LED fixtures you tend to get brighter (to the eye) results similar to other types of lighting.

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Email from Apogee Instruments on Measuring LED with Quantum Sensor:

"In regards to measuring LEDs with our quantum sensor, there are some caveats to doing so. The following link shows the spectral response of our quantum sensor (http://www.apogeeins...alresponse.html). As the graph shows, Apogee quantum sensors underweight blue light, and as a result, photon flux measurements for blue LEDs will be too low. They also overweight red light up to a wavelength of approximately 650 nm, above which they do not measure, and as a result, photon flux measurement for red LEDs will either be too high (if the LED output is all below 650 nm) or too low (if a non-negligible fraction of the LED output is above 650 nm). Additionally, LEDs often have a very narrow spectral output, with a sharp peak of only a few nanometers. So, unless the quantum sensor has a perfectly flat spectral response, meaning it weights all wavelengths of light exactly the same, there will be errors. Electrically calibrated Apogee quantum sensors will likely provide a reasonable measurement for white LEDs because they are broadband, and because electrically calibrated quantum sensors are calibrated under CWF lamps. However, for narrowband LEDs, like red and blue, Apogee quantum sensors will not provide an accurate measurement.

As a less accurate method you can use the same spectral response graph as mentioned above to get a relative idea of the error. For example, a 450nm blue LED will have a relative response of approximately 0.8. Therefore, you can figure that the photon flux reading from the sensor is reading approximately 20% low. Just remember, this approach is only relative so give yourself a wide margin of potential error. A blue/white configuration should give you reasonable accuracy, particularly from the broadband spectrum of the white.

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It's a common misconception that a typical PAR meter can be used to accurately measure PAR of LED fixtures.
Yes, this is why I stated that it is under-rated, especially on the blue colors.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:47 PM
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Yes, this is why I stated that it is under-rated, especially on the blue colors.
Yes and no. A typical meter will present a lower number for blue only but this number will still be relatively high in comparison to other light sources that appear brighter. The narrow peaks from LEDs in general force higher PAR numbers from a meter while not representing how much of the spectrum range used for photosynthesis is actually being filled.
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If a PAR meter is used - it should also be put on electrical mode and not SUN I think... it will help a tiny bit - but overall it should be used as a gauge, even with the margin of error. Better than no meter I say.
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I have an SPS PAR meter. Very special color changing indicators
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I have an SPS PAR meter. Very special color changing indicators
That's the only indicator I would accurately rely on
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