Concerning the new Buy/Sell posting format

[Seriak]

Originally Posted by sphelps

That all costs money and time my friend, you don't gain anything. Sponsors can't be expected to just donate items and credit to the site because the site brings in more money. As for editing you think mods will let you break rules cause you pay $20 a year. It wasn't removed so that it could be purchased back. Other sites may need donations to keep it going, or at least that's what the shady guy behind the scenes is telling you, Canreef isn't like that and I don't know why anyone would want it that way.

Those were simply examples. Avatars and special icons wouldn't cost anything. If the amount got high enough, they could put part of the proceeds towards the purchase of a piece of equipment to give away. Members could donate frags towards a draw to contributing members. If part of the vendor sponsorship fee was lowered due to member contributions, maybe some vendors would donate items or pass along discounts as a thank you to those members. These are all just ideas. You just have to think outside the box.

[sphelps]

Originally Posted by Seriak

Those were simply examples. Avatars and special icons wouldn't cost anything. If the amount got high enough they could put part of the proceeds towards the purchase of a piece of equipment to auction off. Members could donate frags towards a draw to contributing members. If part of the vendor sponsorship fee was lowered due to member contributions, maybe some vendors would donate items or pass along discounts as a thank you to those members. These are all just ideas. You just have to think outside the box.

We have avatars so are you thinking some shouldn't have them or some should have bigger ones? Special icons? Like "I'm Special"? Who cares, like I said unless the site actually needs the contributions it's a waste. Lowering vendors fees for the exchange of vendor donations doesn't get you anywhere, both the site and the vendors end up with the same net. Plus you must think peoples time is worthless, as all those things will take time to organize and arrange each month or whatever. Time is money. I can also assure you while this might sound great for so called "premium members" plenty people will be left out and p'd off about so called privileges. And vendors rarely care for such things either, if they want to give things away it would be in there best interest not to exclude anyone or focus on actual customers. And do you really think regular members will donate items to be given to premium members?

Trust me you're not thinking outside the box, you're talking about creating a very small box and forgetting about everything outside of it.

[Seriak]

Originally Posted by sphelps

We have avatars so are you thinking some shouldn't have them or some should have bigger ones? Special icons? Like "I'm Special"? Who cares, like I said unless the site actually needs the contributions it's a waste. Lowering vendors fees for the exchange of vendor donations doesn't get you anywhere, both the site and the vendors end up with the same net. Plus you must think peoples time is worthless, as all those things will take time to organize and arrange each month or whatever. Time is money. I can also assure you while this might sound great for so called "premium members" plenty people will be left out and p'd off about so called privileges. And vendors rarely care for such things either, if they want to give things away it would be in there best interest not to exclude anyone or focus on actual customers. And do you really think regular members will donate items to be given to premium members?

Trust me you're not thinking outside the box, you're talking about creating a very small box and forgetting about everything outside of it.

If I give 10 friends a gift at Christmas and they in turn give me each a gift and we are all net zero. Was it a waste of time? The size of the box would be dependent on the members. At this time, we have no idea how big or small it would be. I think titus was right in at least throwing the idea out to a poll.

[sphelps]

Cool we can change the name to ChristmasReef

You guys want to be premium members forget about the title and money, go spend a little extra time helping out another member in need. That's what this site is about and that's how to contribute.

[Bblinks]

This is getting semi outta hand. I don't see anything wrong if some of the member wish to support. Canreef support avatars will be cool but it shouldn't give you "special previlages". Its a choice and not a must. If any member decides to contribute then he or she gets an avatar to show that they enjoy this forum and they are willing to go a step further to ensure others can enjoy this site as much as themselves, nothing wrong with that. Also this doen't mean they should lower the sponsorship cost for vendors, what for?

I don't see anything wrong with the site right now. We are still allow to buy and sell stuff, sometimes a member with a larger tank have more corals to sell so be it! I don't post too many for sale threads but I can tell you my corals are growing like crazy and I will be posting them on the site for sale and if the mods question about it I will be gladly to bring them into my house and show its definitely not a commercial operation or a side business.

However if the member contribution support program does come into effect, I would like to see some of the areas like TOTM do get updated on a timely fashion, you know just small stuff like that. Use the that money to better the site.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by Seriak

You just have to think outside the box.

Some of my fish have thought to think outside the box and it hasnt ended well for them.



At what fiscal point does this become a concern and sponsorship is requested of a user / small time dealer?

If I sold $2000 per year worth of merchendise out of my basment or garage it's not financially practical for a $1000+ sponsorship fee.

If there is enough justification to demand sponsorship, then perhaps a simple cease and desist letter is in order.
If that is ignored, send Revenue Canada after them for there "fair" share of taxes that should stop it pretty fast.

[Aquattro]

Originally Posted by Ross

Some of my fish have thought to think outside the box and it hasnt ended well for them.


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Too funny

[Seriak]

Originally Posted by Ross

Some of my fish have thought to think outside the box and it hasnt ended well for them.

LMAO!

[howdy20012002]

After reading this thread, I have no idea really what it is about anymore.
apparently it has become b*tch about whatever you want to thread.
what is the big deal about making a couple of more steps in trying to sell the item???? it takes 10 seconds - if that.
is it me, or am I missing something?
nothing was mentioned about vendors complaining or canreef needing money.
yet, it is what is being more discussed than anything.
if you are on here as often as most of us are, we all know the people are who are running in the grey area of business or not in business on here.
Having a slew of extra brand new equipment laying around doesn't really look like oversight, but an an attempt to make a bit of cash... and that will definitely affect the bottomline of the vendors.
members offering a few frags here and there is what makes canreef a great place for people to get a wide variety of various corals. Or people like Slick fork who spend hundreds of hours perfecting the breeding process and sell a few Captive bred fish now and then.
This I have no problem with.
however, someone that is constantly selling a wide variety of numerous frags on here is in direct competition with someone like Coral Master - who although may bring stuff in, also gets most of his frags from his own tanks.
I personally don't think we should have 2 levels of canreef or varying levels depending on how much you pay.
if it is so difficult to take that extra step on putting something up for sale - try kijiji or other forums to sell your stuff.
I think the staff here does a great job of balancing between the member's and sponsor's demands...I, for one, would not want the job.
once again, this place amazes me.
just my two cents
Neal

[hillegom]

My opinion has been stated by other members here so I won't repeat them.

I want to say that I am in line with the idea of posting the city in the title of the thread. Yes it will be in the sellers signature, or below the avatar, but I would have to open the thread to read that.
If some thing was for sale in Calgary, I don't want to travel there to buy it, but I have wasted my time by opening and reading the post.