Cleaner Wrasse??

[daniella3d]

No unfortunatly no Petland around here. I tried to find some often but never managed and no one carry them around here. I could have them mail ordered but that's too expensive.

Strange that the mandarin won't eat them. Both of my green mandarins will gobble white worms like popcorn.

Did your mandarin ever tasted the black worms? Or he simply do not consider this as food and never ever tried? I am curious to see if he really dislike them or it's just that he never bothered to try it?

Originally Posted by Myka

Do you have Petland there? That's where I get Blackworms. They are $20 for a "small" bag that I can't use up in 3 weeks (15 fish eating 3 meals a day), which is as long as I've been able to get them to last. My Mandarin is the only fish that won't eat them, but he eats frozen food.

[Myka]

Originally Posted by daniella3d

Strange that the mandarin won't eat them. Both of my green mandarins will gobble white worms like popcorn.

Did your mandarin ever tasted the black worms? Or he simply do not consider this as food and never ever tried? I am curious to see if he really dislike them or it's just that he never bothered to try it?

He tried them. He tries anything I put in his feeding dish. I should skip feeding for a day and then try feeding them to him. He's quite the pig.

[naesco]

You show your arrogance in attacking Myka. She provides lasting information to new reefers which info is permanently posted on this board. She freely offers advice in her many postings.
She is writing to help new reefers not to earn the Pulitzer Prize in Literature. Your attack is hurtful and completely uncalled for and I request that you apologise to her.

You show your ignorance by suggesting that Robert Fenner who posts on Wetwebmedia.com
and by implication other experts like Scott Michael represent dated thinking.
These fellow hobbyists who have PHds, and are accommoplished and acnowledged experts in our hobby, provide current information from on going study and ongoing lectures to fellow hobbyists like us.

If guys like these are not the experts, than who? YOU!!! lol

From time to time guys of your ilk hit the board. They ignore the advice of experts. attack fellow posters personally, and encourage fellow reefers to push things to the limit with the resultant fish and coral carnage.
Thankfully guys like you come and go because ultimately their tanks turn to a bio mass of algae and gunk and they leave the hobby.

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by naesco

You show your ignorance by suggesting that Robert Fenner who posts on Wetwebmedia.com
and by implication other experts like Scott Michael represent dated thinking.
These fellow hobbyists who have PHds, and are accommoplished and acnowledged experts in our hobby, provide current information from on going study and ongoing lectures to fellow hobbyists like us.

If guys like these are not the experts, than who? YOU!!! lol

these guys are still the best in the field today, alot of these guys can be found posting reguarily on us sites

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by naesco

From time to time guys of your ilk hit the board. They ignore the advice of experts. attack fellow posters personally, and encourage fellow reefers to push things to the limit with the resultant fish and coral carnage.
Thankfully guys like you come and go because ultimately their tanks turn to a bio mass of algae and gunk and they leave the hobby.

Well, looks like I got your attention, Naesco. That's good. My problem with you is that you like to do these hit and runs with false or misleading information. In this case, you said, "The chances of a cleaner wrasse surviving more than a week or two are almost nil". You ignore other posters that have recent success stories with these fish, and gave some good advice on increasing the chances of being successful. You did the same to me on a past thread about Copperband Butterflies, when I spoke about my success, as did others. When I questioned your experience, it was more than 20 years ago, and you even admitted that you just plopped it into a display tank without QT, and tried to feed it flake food. Needless to say, that Copperband didn't have a chance.

In this case, the OP had already heard that Cleaner Wrasse may be a difficult fish to keep in captivity, and was looking for other peoples thoughts. A number of people posted to provide helpful hints that might increase his chances of success. I don't think your first post with the above statement is what the OP was looking for. If you had just given the links as in your 2nd post, and perhaps offered some suggestions, that might have been taken more positively.

As for Myka, I hope I didn't offend her, and for sure, I apologize if she was. Most of our discussion focused on the contrast between you and Daniella, who has a lot of direct experience with keeping difficult fish and corals. Instead of just slapping people (which she can do, too), she is continuously offering good advice (often new and unique), and trying to be helpful. You could take some lessons from her, and probably learn a lot too, about some of these difficult fish.

Just trying to give you some advice here, Naesco, to perhaps improve your image and credibility, so that your point isn't always lost because of how you post and put people off. Blatant, over the top statements like the one above do not help your cause at all.

As for me, I have my own soapbox I get up on from time to time. I try not to overdo it, as I know I will just be ignored then. And that is QT. I think we have more "carnage" in this hobby because of Ich and other diseases, than just "difficult fish" dying. I also get a little upset when I hear some people on this forum advocate against QT, and "just feed garlic". Then I read about the disasters every couple months in people's tanks.

So if we do have anything in common, Naesco, it is to try and promote responsible behavior with reef keeping. That includes sharing knowledge and trying to help others through their challenges. I know you have been in the hobby a long time, so am sure you have lots to contribute as well.

[naesco]

Thank you for your comments

[Reef Pilot]

Originally Posted by naesco

Thank you for your comments

You're welcome, and hope there are no hard feelings, or at least they will soon be forgotten.

[jtbadco]

[Myka]

Good job settling it out guys.

[burgerchow]

you guys are funny.

In defense of Nesco, I've never met a reefer with such passion for fish and corals. He even went to Indonesia himself to hand-pick 200 lbs of live rock and shipped them back here. ( i know, cause I bought all the rock from him 3 years ago when he had to shut down his display because of a move)

We are all still learning, there's always new things and procedures popping up. In the old days, we kept sw fish with just airstone skimmers and wet/dry filters. ( that still works LOL ) but new tech and techniques are helping change this hobby by leaps and bounds. Heck, 20 years ago, we never even heard of chalices, and other deep water corals.

Heck, I just learned how to post pics ( not very well mind you)