Nano Clown Fish in Calgary

[ruslicus]

Yeap I know I should rinse it just to remove everything which is not food. Thx for your help.

[parkinsn]

Originally Posted by MinPhase

I've read this somewhere but I've never gotten a straight answer as to why you should do this.

There is a bunch of left over crap in the water. It just adds to the pollution of your tank. Not sure if its just the water they use to package or what it is.

Try thawing food and dumping it in your tank, you can see the "cloud" before it mixes in. Then do the same thing after you rinse it. You will see why you should rinse it.

[MinPhase]

Originally Posted by parkinsn

There is a bunch of left over crap in the water. It just adds to the pollution of your tank. Not sure if its just the water they use to package or what it is.

Try thawing food and dumping it in your tank, you can see the "cloud" before it mixes in. Then do the same thing after you rinse it. You will see why you should rinse it.

Is the crap not beneficial for suspended particle filter feeders?

[-=James=-]

I never rinse my food.

Heres a couple posts from Randy Holmes-Farley off RC

Originally Posted by Randy Holmes-Farley

With respect to phosphate, it is a waste of time. That's my primary point. I'm not sure if rinsing does any harm, but you could at least imagine that you are also washing away vitamins and other ingredients that might be added into the foods.

With respect to fine solid bits, I would say that I'm feeding many types of creatures, not just the fish. Corals, crabs, shrimp, anemones, ...

I thaw mine in a cup of tank water and break it up a bit (things like frozen Prime Reef), and then pour in the whole cup, or in the case of mysis, I thaw in a cup and feed with a pipette because I want my Chelmon marginalis to get more than his share of the mysis.

For refrigerated things things like Arctipods, I dose them with a pump using the whole solution they come in.

Originally Posted by Randy Holmes-Farley

OK, let's say you have 1 mL of water at 2 ppm phosphate.

Add that to a 100 gallon tank, and the addition boosts phosphate by 0.00001 ppm. Its the big dilution factor that is the thing people misunderstand.

Also, for comparison, the TOTAL phosphate in a cube of frozen food is on the order of 3,000-10,000 ppm. Removing an mL or two of 2 ppm phosphate water is just totally lost in the noise of that huge addition.

So IMO, folks are wasting their time rinsing foods. Its like trying to save your house from a hurricane by standing in front of it to block the wind.

[fishytime]

well thats all fine and dandy that RHF's tank can handle the extra nutrients.....many people's tanks cant handle the extra nutrients.. either due to bioload or perhaps other supplementary feeding, such as corals or nems etc....and I would venture to guess the the OP's 7g skimmerless(Im assuming) tank might fall into the category of less nutrients is better

[MMAX]

You may have a war on your hands with a clown and a yellowtail damsel together in a 7gal tank.

[shotcaller]

I had a yellow tail damsel in a 55 gallon and got super aggressive towards tank mates i had to remove him so I would be cautious

[ruslicus]

Thank you guys for advice. I would agree about too much phosphate because it is very small skimmer-less tank and I will try to keep it as long as possible. Eventually I will upgrade to bigger one, but I want to make sure I understand everything before spending lots of $$$ for bigger tank.

SO it is 3rd day for my clown fish and Yellowtail. Clown fish is chasing around by the glass and I think he is not accommodated yet, at least he doesn't eat yet which is my concern. What if he doesn't eat for next couple of days - can he die? Yellow tail looks like is very fine, started to eat but I didn't notice any aggression. They both swim together sometimes. Another thing I've noticed they don't hide in rocks. Clown is in the top of the tank swimming by the glass, but damsel is in the middle of the tank. Is it a normal behavior? Thank you for lots of help.

The worst case scenario it will be just damsel tank but I love the clown and would love to have a pair and a coral to host them (not sure I can have any in 7g tank )

[parkinsn]

Originally Posted by ruslicus

Thank you guys for advice. I would agree about too much phosphate because it is very small skimmer-less tank and I will try to keep it as long as possible. Eventually I will upgrade to bigger one, but I want to make sure I understand everything before spending lots of $$$ for bigger tank.

SO it is 3rd day for my clown fish and Yellowtail. Clown fish is chasing around by the glass and I think he is not accommodated yet, at least he doesn't eat yet which is my concern. What if he doesn't eat for next couple of days - can he die? Yellow tail looks like is very fine, started to eat but I didn't notice any aggression. They both swim together sometimes. Another thing I've noticed they don't hide in rocks. Clown is in the top of the tank swimming by the glass, but damsel is in the middle of the tank. Is it a normal behavior? Thank you for lots of help.

The worst case scenario it will be just damsel tank but I love the clown and would love to have a pair and a coral to host them (not sure I can have any in 7g tank )

On a side note the bigger the tank the easier it is. Yes its more money but its also more stable and forgiving.

Give him a few more days to get eating and use to the new tank. Did you ask the guys ar RC what they are feeding? Are you feeding the same type of food that they were? Clown fish are wierd, sometimes they like to host power heads. I wouldn't be too concerned at this point with behavior.

Also keep in mind that a clown fish is a damsel. Personally I don't like damsels because they can be real @$$holes. Clowns can also be aggressive as well though.

[gobytron]

eventually, war will break out between these two territorial fish and one will die...

it could be in a week or in a year but once one of them establishes itself, theres just no where to hide in a 7 gallon tank.

Also, as far as rinsing food goes, in a tank as small as that, every little bit helps...that being said, you SHOULD be doing enough regular water changes that it really shouldnt matter.