Water changes

ReefOcean · #1 03-02-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sphelps

"I skimmed it. I don't use epsen salts" lol classic.

Well perhaps you can point me to the specific part of the huge article you want me to read. "I have a rebuttal, but read this novel to figure it out." This is like that law and order episode, when they subpoena some documents so the suspects place it inside 400 banker boxes filled with other documents and turn it all over. Here ya go, find it.

sphelps · #2 03-02-2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ReefOcean

Well perhaps you can point me to the specific part of the huge article you want me to read. "I have a rebuttal, but read this novel to figure it out." This is like that law and order episode, when they subpoena some documents so the suspects place it inside 400 banker boxes filled with other documents and turn it all over. Here ya go, find it.

It's for your own personal gain, not to support either side of the discussion. You obviously lack the basic concepts so it's a good read and it's smaller than this rather pointless thread.

MarkoD · #3 03-02-2012, 01:32 AM

ReefOcean · #4 03-02-2012, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sphelps

It's for your own personal gain, not to support either side of the discussion. You obviously lack the basic concepts so it's a good read and it's smaller than this rather pointless thread.

You essentially say "you are wrong" , then provide some article and then give no further direction. Appeal to tradition is a fallacy. Just because it is the way it is usually done, doesn't make it always right.

From what I gathered from that article, the things a water change depletes can be controlled, minimized and even kept out of the system all together....

Unless of course you can provide me with something...which you won't.

You also trivialize this thread (rather un-objectively) by saying it is pointless, but you can't even provide an adequate aregument aside from "everybody else does it".

tim the toolman · #5 03-02-2012, 01:46 AM

I guess I should ask how old your system is. It may have been previously stated but I forget by now.

ReefOcean · #6 03-02-2012, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tim the toolman

I guess I should ask how old your system is. It may have been previously stated but I forget by now.

Much of the rock is 4 years old, the seed rock (about 5 pounds is about 6 years old). the rest (about 30 percent) is about 1 year old. The tank itelf (sump included) is about 5 months old but EVERYTHING was transfered from the old tank....so on average.....3 years old.

Some of the corals are 8 years old. Been through 5 transfers!

sphelps · #7 03-02-2012, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ReefOcean

You essentially say "you are wrong" , then provide some article and then give no further direction. Appeal to tradition is a fallacy. Just because it is the way it is usually done, doesn't make it always right.

From what I gathered from that article, the things a water change depletes can be controlled, minimized and even kept out of the system all together....

Unless of course you can provide me with something...which you won't.

You also trivialize this thread (rather un-objectively) by saying it is pointless, but you can't even provide an adequate aregument aside from "everybody else does it".

Hmmm I don't recall saying you're wrong, you asked a question and I answered it. The link was just general info on the subject which I insisted you read after you failed to understand the concept of how removing & replacing water reduces contaminants. Just look at one of the last graphs for example, the one regarding sulphur build up. In addition to sulphur many other elements and contaminants will act the same. Without water changes what is your plan to deal with such contaminants?

ReefOcean · #8 03-02-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sphelps

Hmmm I don't recall saying you're wrong, you asked a question and I answered it. The link was just general info on the subject which I insisted you read after you failed to understand the concept of how removing & replacing water reduces contaminants. Just look at one of the last graphs for example, the one regarding sulphur build up. In addition to sulphur many other elements and contaminants will act the same. Without water changes what is your plan to deal with such contaminants?

If I am not wrong, why you here?

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2004/4/chemistry

I would minimize it....or not even introduce it by using quality additives and not stuff located under my sink.

jorjef · #9 03-02-2012, 01:58 AM

In the desert you can remember your name
'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain
La, la la la la la la la la......

sphelps · #10 03-02-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ReefOcean

If I am not wrong, why you here?

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2004/4/chemistry

I would minimize it....or not even introduce it by using quality additives and not stuff located under my sink.

Because 1 I was here first and 2 because you asked the question why we need to do water changes and then continued to asked pretty much the same question over and over, so at this point I have no idea why.

So your solution to minimize contaminants is to add things like calcium chloride? Where does the chloride go? And how exactly do you think thing like sulphur and copper get in your water? Once again you have ignored everything put in front of you that you requested.

Best of luck, I've giving you what I know so no point repeating.