Thinking of setting up a FOWOLR

SeaHorse_Fanatic · #1 01-18-2012, 06:17 AM

Yes, I've known Burgerchow for many years and he has a very beautiful, well-established reef tank. As he states, he may not post much but he knows his stuff.

The way I took his original comment (as he intended) was that if the OP puts in the same care he does in choosing his fish only inhabitants as he presumably does with his reef tank, then there is a whole new "world" of species that are now possible to keep that were not compatible with stocking a reef tank before. He was NOT suggesting the OP go willy-nilly on just picking up any and every fish without doing his research.

By posting his questions in this thread on Canreef, the OP is demonstrating that he is willing to do research prior to acting. That is the assumption Burgerchow (and I) got from reading this thread.

Burgerchow also only mentioned his fishkeeping/reefing history after being chastised by other members who jumped on his case for his original posting. He has never before mentioned how long he has kept fish or corals. He does not "brag" about these things, but in this instance, I believe he is justified in defending himself from people who assume he knows nothing about reefing due to his low post count. And he has never claimed to be an expert or sw guru. Never. Those who have attacked him over his original post are making the assumption that due to his low post count, he must be a sw newbie. Now if you are attacked in that way, would you not also defend yourself and point out that you've been successfully keeping reef tanks and fish only tanks for decades (so you're not just making empty comments but have the hands-on experience to back up your statements)? Could he have stated his comments better? Probably. Is this a reason to tear into him like this? No.

Unlike Burgerchow, I do spend a lot of time on this forum and I've noticed how some members are getting very quick to take offence or to jump on statements made by others. Good way to drive away members (both newbie and old-timers). I've been told by other Canreef oldtimers how this type of aggressive posting by certain members has caused them to stop coming on this forum for a while now. Each time this sort of "let's jump all over someone for a random comment" happens, other members lose more and more interest in posting here. In the end, we are losing lots of good members with lots to contribute and replacing them with people who feel this type of behaviour is fine and dandy. Soon, nobody else will post their answers to questions on here and only come to check the classifieds. Then we all lose.

Well that's my two cents on this unnecessary Canreef drama.

burgerchow · #2 01-18-2012, 07:18 AM

Thanks for the support Seahorse.

I guess I gotta post my fishkeeping resume now... LOL

well, here it goes.

1. goldfish as a kid. We had a large 30 foot cement fishpond and had hundreds of goldfish and koi in it. ( did you know that goldfish coud survive through the winter even when frozen in ice? Honest to god, one cold winter, the whole pond froze, and I guess they were in a state of cryonic suspension, cause once they thawed out, they were still alive)

2. Late 80's , Oscars and jack dempseys Asian arrowanas

3. 1990-1993 Went big into African cichlids, Tropheus, aulonacaras, peacocks, electric blue ahlis, was even breeding them

4. set up my first saltwater in 1993. 90 gallon fish only.
changed over to my first coral tank, running only lps. bubbles, candy canes, softies. etc

You gotta remember that people were just dabbling in sps at that time.
Information was hard to get. Before the internet, the only info you could get was from books and magazines. No such thing as Forums....google, or wikipedia. You wanted to know something, you asked your local lfs or had to buy a book. We learned by trial and error. It's great that new people to the hobby can access such a vast wealth of fishkeeping experience instantly with a few strokes of a keypad.

5. set up my first "true reef tank " in 1995. 90 gallon with a 100 lbs of live rock and 2 bak pak skimmers. Was one of the first people in canada to get ice cap vho ballasts, and was running vho lighting, Ran this tank for 10 years, even surviving a tank move in 2001. ( 40 mile move, took the tank, live rock, and even all the water, and everything survived) Roger from Roger's Aquatics and I did the move over 8 hours.

6. 2005, set up amazon fw plant tank in my 55 gal corner bowfront, complete with co2, and 150 cardinal tetras. Got bored, and in

7. 2009 decided to set up my 120 as full reef including sps.
this is the first time I've done sps, They're ok, but my main love are lps.

I been shopping at J&L before they even had a store. Alan and John used to deliver stuff directly to my house in person.

Just because I don't post a lot doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing.
I spend my time on a lot of other forums, cause I have lots of other hobbies. Harleys, guns, r/c boats and cars, audiophile, etc.

Hell, we party like rockstars every day.

so Paddyrob, you got anything else to say, I'm calling you out.

paddyob · #3 01-18-2012, 12:06 PM

There is no drama. Its an obvious misunderstanding.

I agree. This forum has gone down in quality over the last while. That's what happens when something grows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaHorse_Fanatic

Yes, I've known Burgerchow for many years and he has a very beautiful, well-established reef tank. As he states, he may not post much but he knows his stuff.

The way I took his original comment (as he intended) was that if the OP puts in the same care he does in choosing his fish only inhabitants as he presumably does with his reef tank, then there is a whole new "world" of species that are now possible to keep that were not compatible with stocking a reef tank before. He was NOT suggesting the OP go willy-nilly on just picking up any and every fish without doing his research.

By posting his questions in this thread on Canreef, the OP is demonstrating that he is willing to do research prior to acting. That is the assumption Burgerchow (and I) got from reading this thread.

Burgerchow also only mentioned his fishkeeping/reefing history after being chastised by other members who jumped on his case for his original posting. He has never before mentioned how long he has kept fish or corals. He does not "brag" about these things, but in this instance, I believe he is justified in defending himself from people who assume he knows nothing about reefing due to his low post count. And he has never claimed to be an expert or sw guru. Never. Those who have attacked him over his original post are making the assumption that due to his low post count, he must be a sw newbie. Now if you are attacked in that way, would you not also defend yourself and point out that you've been successfully keeping reef tanks and fish only tanks for decades (so you're not just making empty comments but have the hands-on experience to back up your statements)? Could he have stated his comments better? Probably. Is this a reason to tear into him like this? No.

Unlike Burgerchow, I do spend a lot of time on this forum and I've noticed how some members are getting very quick to take offence or to jump on statements made by others. Good way to drive away members (both newbie and old-timers). I've been told by other Canreef oldtimers how this type of aggressive posting by certain members has caused them to stop coming on this forum for a while now. Each time this sort of "let's jump all over someone for a random comment" happens, other members lose more and more interest in posting here. In the end, we are losing lots of good members with lots to contribute and replacing them with people who feel this type of behaviour is fine and dandy. Soon, nobody else will post their answers to questions on here and only come to check the classifieds. Then we all lose.

Well that's my two cents on this unnecessary Canreef drama.

paddyob · #4 01-18-2012, 02:44 PM

Sorry to the OP for the off topic.

Im outtie.

fishoholic · #5 01-19-2012, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palmer

I plan on researching any fish I get for the next tank and only asked for suggestions because of the expertise on this board and the fact that I can be lazy and get recommendations and have some great conversations about fish at the same time

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If you are ever wondering about a certain type of fish, or if one kind can be kept with another etc. feel free to pm me. Generally speaking I know a fair amount about many different types of fish, and if I don't know I can usually find good info on most fish.

Edmonton newbie · #6 01-19-2012, 05:10 AM

ill take some pics this weekend and post them and yes its the only thing in my sump in my stand so it is hidden the only reason to have them out above the tank is if you want them dumping the pods into the display without going through the pump. very simple it cost me a total of $25 to get it up and running only cuz i didnt have a spare ball vavle and union laying around

SeaHorse_Fanatic · #7 01-19-2012, 08:25 AM

In the past, I actually had an above tank sump/refugium and it worked great for cascading live pods/mysis into my display tanks. Just used a Maxijet1200 to pump water up a few inches and then it gravity fed back into the tank. You can always cover up the algae scrubber tank so its not so visible but you still get the live food waterfalling into the display.