Outraged!!!

[jtbadco]

we could only hope....

so basically since there is bad in the world and always will be,...no one should bother to try for any measure of proper behavior? Beautiful!!!

[jorjef]

Originally Posted by jtbadco

we could only hope....

so basically since there is bad in the world and always will be,...no one should bother to try for any measure of proper behavior? Beautiful!!!

Maybe your crusade is driven by the guilt you feel in having an aquarium full of captive creatures? I can't say, but because I don't bow to your lynch mob metality when starting this post doesn't mean you are any better than me.

[jorjef]

Hey Marko, is there any room over there in the "penalty box of public opinion" I may be coming over...

[jtbadco]

You have voiced your opinion, so get over yourself and go away. Most of the people here have agreed with my post and the reasons for posting it.
I feel no guilt whatsoever, your reasoning is as flawed as your logic.

And your responses show I'm better than you, I could care less whether you agree with my post.

[Judy Waytiuk]

I thought you were done, Jorjef. Apparently not. Pity. Non-constructive insults don't add to any form of discussion.
Well, here's food for thought, since you are railing on about the general lack of ethics among reefers keeping captured wildlife prisoners in glass boxes: a good deal of research into coral reef health has evolved from hobbyists' original interests. And a lot of responsible hobbyists buy aquacultured corals now-- which only became available when hobbyists began asking for them instead of wild-harvested corals. Much knowledge and research has been generated as a result of the interests of hobbyists.
Lynch mob mentality...?? when you have something useful to say, say it. If all you can do is throw insults around, maybe just leave the discussion to the grownups trying to impart actual information.

[MarkoD]

im just hoping to get one of those swc cone skimmers for dirt cheap

[jtbadco]

With any luck you can get it at his 'going out of business sale'

[Leah]

Originally Posted by jorjef

No, I just yell at them as I watch them fall....There is nothing "right" about being in this hobby, no thinking we're ethical just because we rally about the extremes in the industry either good or bad. We still keep captured wild animals in a small glass box. If a person has a problem with the way the industry is they should leave the hobby rather than support it.

Oh so true...if you think that we are not a part of the whole problem, think again.

[jtbadco]

I agree completely.

Human beings are the direct causes of alot of problems on earth, especially where the environment is involved, and admittedly in the aquarium hobby.

However, the only way to ever change anything is for someone to start with one thing. To speak the truth and trust that responsible people can make intelligent choices.

I also fully believe that having home aquariums can be beneficial to the wild,...if we can mandate responsibility in the industry.
There has been a huge move in SW towards tank bred corals and fish, driven by an aquarium trade that at least acknowledges that we are better off not removing species from the wild.

[Leah]

Originally Posted by jtbadco

I agree completely.

Human beings are the direct causes of alot of problems on earth, especially where the environment is involved, and admittedly in the aquarium hobby.

However, the only way to ever change anything is for someone to start with one thing. To speak the truth and trust that responsible people can make intelligent choices.

I also fully believe that having home aquariums can be beneficial to the wild,...if we can mandate responsibility in the industry.
There has been a huge move in SW towards tank bred corals and fish, driven by an aquarium trade that at least acknowledges that we are better off not removing species from the wild.

How is it beneficial to the wild?