A desperate time calls for desperate measures

daniella3d · #1 12-11-2011, 04:04 PM

Oh my...that's a potent product that I would not dare use in my reef! you're brave.

I used to use it for my discus when they had flukes and finally went with permaganate potassium treatment as the fluke tabs was way too harsh on the poor fish. They would lose all their coloration and I had a few dead fish wherea I never lost a fish from the PP treatment. I wish I would have had those warnings available before I used the product then:

"Do not use on tropical fish from the Amazon River. Discuses are particularly sensitive. There is significant toxicity of the Carbamates to certain fish, most notably Discus and Catfish, who may be affected adversely."

I can attest that's true.

When I think that I am doing all I can to have these blue anthelia covering every available inches of my liverock! And some people are willing to wreak avok in their tank to get rid of it...wow.

BTW, did you try putting activated carbon? People report the total decline of the blue clove when using carbon.

ColinD · #2 12-11-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by daniella3d

Oh my...that's a potent product that I would not dare use in my reef! you're brave.

I used to use it for my discus when they had flukes and finally went with permaganate potassium treatment as the fluke tabs was way too harsh on the poor fish. They would lose all their coloration and I had a few dead fish wherea I never lost a fish from the PP treatment. I wish I would have had those warnings available before I used the product then:

"Do not use on tropical fish from the Amazon River. Discuses are particularly sensitive. There is significant toxicity of the Carbamates to certain fish, most notably Discus and Catfish, who may be affected adversely."

I can attest that's true.

When I think that I am doing all I can to have these blue anthelia covering every available inches of my liverock! And some people are willing to wreak avok in their tank to get rid of it...wow.

BTW, did you try putting activated carbon? People report the total decline of the blue clove when using carbon.

At this stage in the game I'm willing to take a chance, I do not have any shrimp or soft corals in my system and the few Zoa's that I do have are covered in anthelia, it is actually attaching itself to the polyps.

I have tried carbon, it did effect a colony of pulsing zenia (that I traded away) but no luck with the anthelia, tried a filefish but it showed no interest in it.

daniella3d · #3 12-11-2011, 05:50 PM

Oh I see. It's not the same thing that I tought you had and not the same thing that I have. The blue clove polyps growing in my tank and within my zoanthids are not bothering them and are much smaller and all blue.

I can understand why you want to kill them as those are ugly and big with long stalk and they seem to be upsetting your zoanthids.

Those look like nice palythoas with striped skin, what are they??

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At this stage in the game I'm willing to take a chance, I do not have any shrimp or soft corals in my system and the few Zoa's that I do have are covered in anthelia, it is actually attaching itself to the polyps.

I have tried carbon, it did effect a colony of pulsing zenia (that I traded away) but no luck with the anthelia, tried a filefish but it showed no interest in it.

daniella3d · #4 12-11-2011, 06:57 PM

This is what I have growing in my zoanthids and pretty much everywhere on my liverock ramdomly. Does not seem to affect any coral nor my zoanthids. Is that the same thing that you have?

I strated a month ago with 3 king midas polyps and now I have about 12 and new babies growing, so they are not affected like yours, in fact the zoanthids seem to be taking over.

ColinD · #5 12-11-2011, 07:07 PM

I do have Blue Cloves as well, much more manageable compared to the anthelia/waving hand stuff. I guess if I do go ahead with the fluke tab treatment I will lose the cloves

daniella3d · #6 12-11-2011, 07:19 PM

Yes I think it's a good guess. I just hope you will not lose anything else.

I do have a few of the same polyps you have and now that I know it's so bad I will kill it while it is not yet spread.

I thought it was some xenia polyps but looking at it now it's not that.

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I do have Blue Cloves as well, much more manageable compared to the anthelia/waving hand stuff. I guess if I do go ahead with the fluke tab treatment I will lose the cloves

whatcaneyedo · #7 12-11-2011, 06:25 PM

Move your rock to a dark location for a couple of weeks. The anthelia will then easily peel off of the rock. You can do one at a time if all of them at once is not feasible. At one point nearly every exposed inch of my rock that wasn't occupied by other coral had anthelia on it. Now I no longer have any in my tank.

2007 I think

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ColinD · #8 12-11-2011, 06:55 PM

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Move your rock to a dark location for a couple of weeks. The anthelia will then easily peel off of the rock. You can do one at a time if all of them at once is not feasible. At one point nearly every exposed inch of my rock that wasn't occupied by other coral had anthelia on it. Now I no longer have any in my tank.

Unfortunately thats not an option at the moment, still a couple months away from my upgrade. Have never been able to peel any of this off the rock, it seems to grow as individual polyps and not the mats that everyone refers to.

Daniella, I believe they are ppe's

whatcaneyedo · #9 12-11-2011, 07:57 PM

Seriously? You'd rather treat your tank with chemicals and risk a complete system crash than take out one rock at a time and sit it in the dark for a few weeks? Did you not look at my picture? I know full well what anthelia is and my method worked extremely well to eradicate it from my system. Here are some more pictures to show how infested my tank was. Anthelia is photosynthetic so leaving it in the dark slowly kills it. After a few weeks it won't be dead yet but it will have shrunk and its hold on your rocks will have weakened. At that point you'll be able to easily peel it off without leaving any pieces behind. If you have a dark unlit sump you could rotate rocks through there or you could do what I did and set up a plastic bin full of aquarium water with a heater and powerhead. Its simple, safe and inexpensive.

Have you thought about what is going to happen if you kill it all off at the same time while its still in your tank? A large amount of organic life suddenly dying will pollute your closed system very quickly. You'll need to do some massive water changes, skim and run carbon if you don't want it to crash the entire tank.

daniella3d · #10 12-11-2011, 08:05 PM

Ok but what about the corals on the rocks? They will also die for sure without light for 3 weeks or more no?

Did you not lose any coral that was on those rocks?

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After a few weeks it won't be dead yet but it will have shrunk and its hold on your rocks will have weakened. At that point you'll be able to easily peel it off without leaving any pieces behind.