Copperband Swimming Upside Down?!?

NastayNatron · #1 11-21-2011, 02:57 AM

Alright so an update on where I am with the PraziPro treatment. I did 5 days of Prazi at the recommended dose in my quarantine. After the 5 days I did a 30-40% waterchange and re-dosed the Prazi at the recommended doseage. It has now been 8 days total with Prazi in the tank. The copperband is doing MUCH better. His appetite has cut down a bit but he is still eating. The Leopard on the other hand eats like crazy all the time.

I was planning on removing the prazi from the tank in two days which would be a total of two treatments at 5 days each. I am still noticing a bit of twitching from the copperband. Im guessing this means there are still some flukes present. None of the other fish have had any symptoms whatsoever throughout the whole process. The good news is the copperband no longer does his upsidedown thing. So as of now my plan is to do another 30-40% waterchange in 2 days and re-treat once again at the recommended dosage to make sure I get all of the flukes. Do you think I am doing the right thing here?

Here is a video I took tonight of the quarantine:

http://youtu.be/EaBj123Du7o

daniella3d · #2 11-21-2011, 04:03 AM

Yes he's twitching quite a bit. Maybe his gills are a bit irritated from the flukes and he needs to heal from that.

He's getting very skinny and laking the fat pad on the top of the head. Can you get a live white worms culture? This food fattened up my copperband in 3 weeks and he was very skinny. It also motivate their appetite during a prazi treatment.

Also maybe you can try a fresh mussle cut in half? mine really love this food and the white worms. I enrich the white worms with Selcon when I feed the worm I put about 7 to 10 drops of Selcon into the milk that goes in the bread. I would try the mussle first and see if he likes it. This is a great way of passing their stress as well as they love to pick at the shell. I tie the mussle shell to a rock woth a rubber band as they are not heavy enough to witstand the butterfly thearing it apart and will shift without being tied to something heavy enough.

It's important to treat the flukes and make sure they are gone but it is also imporant to fatten up that fish and make sure he does not get any thinner. He seem to be eating in your video but they do need a lot of rich food. Mine has been eating white worms every day for about a year and a mussle about once a week or two.

Here is a video of mine feeding on white worms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=AvkIATAzV5Q

After the second treatment, I would give the fish a few days break from the treatment and if there is no improvement then redose in 5 days. Usualy the fluke eggs hatch in about 10 days, so giving a 4 to 5 days break and see if he stop twitching might be better. Get him to eat better and then if needed, redose.

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Originally Posted by NastayNatron

Alright so an update on where I am with the PraziPro treatment. I did 5 days of Prazi at the recommended dose in my quarantine. After the 5 days I did a 30-40% waterchange and re-dosed the Prazi at the recommended doseage. It has now been 8 days total with Prazi in the tank. The copperband is doing MUCH better. His appetite has cut down a bit but he is still eating. The Leopard on the other hand eats like crazy all the time.

I was planning on removing the prazi from the tank in two days which would be a total of two treatments at 5 days each. I am still noticing a bit of twitching from the copperband. Im guessing this means there are still some flukes present. None of the other fish have had any symptoms whatsoever throughout the whole process. The good news is the copperband no longer does his upsidedown thing. So as of now my plan is to do another 30-40% waterchange in 2 days and re-treat once again at the recommended dosage to make sure I get all of the flukes. Do you think I am doing the right thing here?

Here is a video I took tonight of the quarantine:

http://youtu.be/EaBj123Du7o

NastayNatron · #3 11-21-2011, 04:49 AM

Alright thanks. Im not really sure where I would get live white worms. I will buy a fresh muscle tomorrow and put it in the tank as you have described and see how he does. After this set of treatment ill remove the Prazi for a few days and monitor him.

Thanks!

daniella3d · #4 11-21-2011, 01:07 PM

Before you put a fresh mussle in the tank, rinse it and brush it well under the luke warm water faucet when it is closed to make sure there is nothing attached to it that you don't want to introduce to your aquarium (they are saltwater live food). Then you open it and split the meat on one side of the shell and cut the mussle in 2. You keep the side of the shell that contain the meat and discard the other shell. Simply tie it to a rock with a rubber band. I usually brush them under warm tap water for a minute or two and make sure I brush everywhere.

You can rinse the meat a little if you wish to remove excedent of mussle juice but not too much as to remove the flavor so the fish will really smell it. just a seconde will be enough for the meat.

For the white worms culture, it cen be sent by mail. Usualy someone around you will have a culture and it is easy to start your own culture from that. All it need is a bit of moist top soil with a good part of fine peatmoss (moist) and a container and you feed the worms with a little piece of bread slightly soaked in milk with a few drops of Selcon. That's about it.

If you don't find any, you can write me a PM and I can sell you one culture for 10$ plus shipping cost. It would need to be shipped with a heat pad at this time of the year.

If your copperband go for the mussle, you will probably not need white worms right away because this is very nutritious fatty food.

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Originally Posted by NastayNatron

Alright thanks. Im not really sure where I would get live white worms. I will buy a fresh muscle tomorrow and put it in the tank as you have described and see how he does. After this set of treatment ill remove the Prazi for a few days and monitor him.

Thanks!

NastayNatron · #5 11-27-2011, 07:32 PM

Ok the PraziPro has been out of the tank for 4 days now. My copperband has eaten 3 muscles already and he loves them. He also started eating alot more brine, plankton and mysis as well. I was still noticing small amounts of twitching so I decided to do another round of prazi. I added the Prazi just a few minutes ago and he shook his head around some directly after adding it so that must mean there are some flukes left. It was nothing even close to the effect it had on him last time I added it. I plan on doing two sets of 5-7 day treatments(depending on how things go) and then remove the prazi and wait another few days to verify I finally got them all. I think its going well all fish are eating good. The leopard wrasse has been perfect throughout the process. It has been 4 weeks now since the fish have started quarantine! Im excited for when this is over!

daniella3d · #6 11-27-2011, 10:14 PM

Good to know. Did the copperband gained a bit of weight?

Glad to see he likes mussle because it's a very good and rich food for him.

Copperband do twitch from time to time and it might be normal.

Although if he's eating well and gaining weight then prazipro will not really be harmfull but I am wondering if he's still has flukes or if it not just a residual irritation or simply a normal behavior at this point.

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Originally Posted by NastayNatron

Ok the PraziPro has been out of the tank for 4 days now. My copperband has eaten 3 muscles already and he loves them. He also started eating alot more brine, plankton and mysis as well. I was still noticing small amounts of twitching so I decided to do another round of prazi. I added the Prazi just a few minutes ago and he shook his head around some directly after adding it so that must mean there are some flukes left. It was nothing even close to the effect it had on him last time I added it. I plan on doing two sets of 5-7 day treatments(depending on how things go) and then remove the prazi and wait another few days to verify I finally got them all. I think its going well all fish are eating good. The leopard wrasse has been perfect throughout the process. It has been 4 weeks now since the fish have started quarantine! Im excited for when this is over!