The ethics of cloning and genetic manipulation...

Originally Posted by teevee

Well I suppose it would fall to the federal government and be regulated perhaps by a new wing of Environment Canada. In the same way that pharmaceuticals are controlled by the government, so would cloning. Given the technology required to engage in cloning, I doubt it would become an underground industry.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!
sorry I thought that was a funny statement....
Yes I hope it falls into our goverments hands.... Hmmm hows it work again, oh yeah, if you slip the goverment huge sums of cash your product is legal, if you dont, well dont hold your breath.... were talking about the same folks that manage our money so well and take care of us like we are their firstborn....(mild sarcasm) When the fish are legalized we will know some high political power just added a new collection of mercedes to their stable, and perhaps a new ranch as well. Its the same with everything else... take for instance the goverment regulated canadian food guide for healthy living....ROTFLMAO again!!!!!!!!!! Dont get me wrong, I love milk, but the stuff just isnt good for adults to drink.... but if the dairy farmers keep slipping the goverment large cheques, I guess drinking milk in canada is good for you... Almost everything the goverment has their hands in is a load of crap(my opinion) did I say almost? I think that could be a huge understatement! And like the example you stated of the pharmaceuticals companies, works the same way, their drugs dont get approved untill some money changes hands...
Goverment is just a bunch of rich folk that devise ways to make themselves richer while being able to burry it under mountains of paperwork... Running the country well dosent even make their top 100 list if you ask me....
I like these little rants, makes me smile...lol

[Canadian]

Why should animals die/suffer just so it can improve our lives

This is just about the most asinine statement I've read in months. Damned near every medical treatment and pharmaceutical has been tested on an animal. Next time you get a headache and pop a Tylenol or and Advil try to remind yourself that it was indeed tested on an animal before it ended up in your medicine cabinet. And the next time someone in your family or a close friend is diagnosed with cancer and undergoes radiation therapy or chemotherapy ask yourself why an animal had to "die/suffer just so it can improve our lives." And while we're at it, let's forget about deafferenting animals in an attempt to find a cure for Multiple Sclerosis because "why should animals die/suffer just so it can improve our lives."

I'm sure it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside to think that you're a casual animal rights activist but let's get real - a lot of your friends and family would be dead right now if it wasn't for animal testing.

Rant over.

[Namscam]

Hey who are u to even bust my a$$ bout being an animal activist....I didnt say I m an animal activist...If n e thing there are more animal activist on this forum than me..I remember that when I first got on this forum and said " so wut if the fish dies, I ll just get more" and everyone was busting my a$$ about it...All I am saying is that we have no right to be testing on animals.....And for your information, yeah research has done a lot of good things, but who are we to clone animals and test them. I mean what good would cloning do.. you ll still need to grow the animal to size and what sick person would clone humans just for research so that we can...wut?? clone humans so that when we get old and need a kidney or two, the clones will be there??? Now come on if you agree that that is right then I dont care what n e one has to say bout me, I at least have a conscience and think that you are just down right sick to the bones...How would u feel if I did experiments on you to benefit my needs???

[Canadian]

Perhaps your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Go back, read my post, and locate where I said that I condoned cloning of humans or animals for that matter. I was commenting on your ridiculous rhetorical question: "Why should animals die/suffer just so it can improve our lives?"

Secondly, the eventual death of animals for research is done in the name of science and acts to benefit in the understanding of biological concepts for the betterment of society. You killing a fish and replacing it is done out of ignorance and carelessness and does nothing to benefit anyone other than the retailers and wholesalers who sell the fish.

[saltcreep]

Funny thing is...the "Glofish" were being used for pollution detection prior to being made available to the aquarium trade.

[Bob I]

Hmmm an interesting point about this is that the subject was introduced by a psychology student. Perhaps the sole intent was to have people calling each other names. Might even be some research thing.

[Namscam]

First of all there is no difference if I kill a fish or if it dies for research. Nonetheless the fish does die. It doesnt matter how it dies, in the end it does still dies. Secondly, if you dont see that killing something for research for our benefit is bad, then of course you are condoning killing helpless animal. Thirdly what gives us the right to test on these animals. and so what if it benefits on mankind, in the end something does still dies.

Hey If I dont help out the wholesalers of LFS they will go bankrupt and then starve and die...so someones gotta support these ppl. ahahahaha j/j

[Canadian]

First of all there is no difference if I kill a fish or if it dies for research. Nonetheless the fish does die

If you're really that obtuse then there's no point in me responding. I wonder what it's like to live life completely oblivous to reality? What color is the sky in your world?

[Aquattro]

Andrew, you're one of the best "debaters" I've seen. You don't need insults to reinforce your skills. Please keep it civil..thanks!

[saltcreep]

Let's take this a little further...what about painted glass fish? Not GM but are being injected with dye in order to change their appearance.