LED Color Combos

[reefermadness]

I can taste the purple drink your trying to give me but I don't want any.

I post a statement direct from the national rep and you give me hearsay (second hand relayed) information that comes from a guy in customer assistance.

Even IF they are using a big LED manufacturer to build their custom emitters I will take you back to my original statement that you disagreed with....

it is there own proprietary LED, that is designed strictly for the purpose of aquarium use.

ANYWAY YOU SLICE IT .....THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT.

Can you say the same for any other LED fixture on the market...I don't think so and surely not Ecotec, AI, and vertex.

Holy LED POLICE.....if I didnt know better I would think you have a vested interest in this conversation for some reason.

[mike31154]

Originally Posted by MMAX

Just looking for some input from people using colors other than whites and blues in their LED set-ups. I recently purchased a DIY kit. Before I get too involved in building it am wondering if I should be using some greens and reds along with the whites and royal blues.

I don't have a LED set up at the moment, still playing the waiting game. However, it does seem apparent that more aquarium LED fixture manufacturers as well as newer DIY LED builds are looking into additional colours besides the whites & blues you mention. Not sure you're going to find that much info on any long term benefits either way at this point since the LED movement is still very much in it's infancy. But if companies like EcoTech, Orphek and some of the others discussed in this thread are any indication, there's certainly some benefit to additional colours. You'll likely need to wade through a lot of search results on various forums & search engines to get a better idea of what's going on. I suppose in this respect you're a bit ahead of the game with the DIY fixture, since you'll be able to customize it any time without too much trouble by simply replacing or adding LEDs as the need arises. With the Radion fixture or many of the other manufactured ones, you're more or less stuck with what they provide, unless you want to void your warranty and start dismantling them to customize your colour options.

[Milad]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

I can taste the purple drink your trying to give me but I don't want any.

I post a statement direct from the national rep and you give me hearsay (second hand relayed) information that comes from a guy in customer assistance.

Even IF they are using a big LED manufacturer to build their custom emitters I will take you back to my original statement that you disagreed with....



ANYWAY YOU SLICE IT .....THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT.

Can you say the same for any other LED fixture on the market...I don't think so and surely not Ecotec, AI, and vertex.

Holy LED POLICE.....if I didnt know better I would think you have a vested interest in this conversation for some reason.

Whats with you an national rep. Im the national rep for stark industries, does that make everything I say true? I deal with these guys on a daily basis and we are talking huge company reps. You have to be careful of their kool aid

I'm not knocking their product. I just don't want you to think "they make thier own led". They might package the actual led in a way that suits reef and the rep probably sells that off as making their own led.

I wasnt even bashing china companies. Some of them are good, most are sketchy at best. They will get better as we go along. Most of them just want your money. What I was pointing out in my previous statement about them drop shipping from china was the fact they probably don't have a large infustructer to actually make that LED.

You are going to see more and more the actual LED isn't going to be what makes or breaks the product. Instead you will see the trend being packaging the LED to be right for the application. By packinging I'm talking about matched optics to LEDs with matched spectrum and locus for the application.

That will be the future and these guys are on the right track but I highly doubt they make their own LEDs and it puts a bad taste In my mouth that their "national rep" or "god" in your beliefs is selling it off like that.

[reefermadness]

The contradictions are endless Milad. I will point out a few....

Originally Posted by reefermadness

it is there own proprietary LED, that is designed strictly for the purpose of aquarium use.

Then...

Originally Posted by Milad

Nope. They use someones chip and adjust it to their liking.

Seems like you said I was wrong and then told me that they have customized an LED for their proprietary use? NO?....which really agrees with what I said originally......head is starting to spin.

Originally Posted by Milad

What these companies do is take a cree chip or a bridgelux or a epistar and package it in a way to sell it.

Can you inform me of other companies doing this?.....Every fixture that I know of uses off the shelf standard LEDs.

Originally Posted by Milad

Worse case they make their own chips.

Best case scenario they use someone else's chips and they build their own phosphorus layer and locus which still takes alot of money. The rep could be considering this as their "own diode". If they are doing this. That's great.

I have already put on the table the option that the national sales rep is lying....but surely not the website as well which states "Our lights are made of the highest quality electronics and optics, using diodes that we designed specifically for reef, corals or planted aquarium lighting solutions". In which case your above statements are still in agreement with mine.

Originally Posted by Milad

None of this really makes a huge effect compared to using other LEDs. The AI sol will grow your SPS just as well.

Total speculation on your part.

Originally Posted by Milad

Not worth my time to explain it to you. Hopefully someone else has the time to explain.

Seems to me you have tons of time to engage in this discussion.

Now here is a big contridicion. You make fun of me for believing a statement made by the national sales rep yet to back up your argument for not believing him you direct me to a hearsay post provided by some user on a forum that wrote an answer from a customer service agent. Head is really spinning now.

Originally Posted by Milad

Whats with you an national rep. Im the national rep for stark industries, does that make everything I say true?

I don't know...are you saying you misrepresent your companies product on purpose to make sales. Sounds like a pretty slimy thing to do.

Originally Posted by Milad

I wasnt even bashing china companies.

And then .....wait for it...wait for it....

Originally Posted by Milad

Some of them are good, most are sketchy at best. They will get better as we go along. Most of them just want your money. What I was pointing out in my previous statement about them drop shipping from china was the fact they probably don't have a large infustructer to actually make that LED.

hahaha.

Ok tp recap...so in the end my statement should remain true about them offering their own proprietary LED, that is designed strictly for the purpose of aquarium use. Also I already put on the table the fact that the national rep lied or misrepresented the product. BUT WE DONT KNOW....and why should I believe you over someone who actually should know something about the product.

[Milad]

I just realized what reefmadnesses problem is. He doesn't know what makes up a LED. If you think my statements contradict then you don't realize what an LED is. I'm sure you are going to go off and Wikipedia led and start copy and pasting but rest assure I won't be coming back to this forum to read this thread.

It also makes me realize that most people mis understand the actual led component so the reps statement make you think it's this magical LED which it's not.

[philg3]

Way to hijack a good thread you two, can we get back to some discussion on LED Color Combo's now that your finished arguing semantics?

I've been looking at the Maxspect Mazarra and its a very intriguing light that allows you to replace LED Chipsets as well as lenses in a plug and play kind of way. The Reef versions comes with :

Cree XML 5w 8500K White
Cree XPG 3w 8500K White
Philips Luxeon Rebel 3w 480nm Blue

Philips Luxeon Rebel 3w 460nm Royal Blue

SIBDI U60 3w 410nm Super Actinic

SIBDI U70 3w 420nm Super Actinic

Pretty impressive line-up of LED's that are controllable through 4 different Channels.

I have one of the SWC Cree Fixtures (pretty much the same as any of the cheap chinese ones) that rocks straight 1:1 ratio of White to Royal Blue. The Color when mixed is okay but i dont know if i like the look of the tank with Royal Blue only. I was looking at a tank that had a few of these chinese fixtures alongside some ATI Blue t5 lamps and the color with both the T5's and the Royal Blue LED's was much nicer.

Problem is I have never seen the light from the straight blue LED's in person, can anyone here give some insight into the color difference between the two different kinds of Blue LED?

[StirCrazy]

I go to work for a day and look what happens

I say your both right. although I don't believe the specificly designed for aquarium use. what I do believe is that they did what I am looking at doing with my prototype if it works out for me. One of my best buddies lives in china and is incharge of a huge company which started out making parts and componants for there hot tub company here in canada. (artic spas) anyways they have also added led lights over the last 3 years.. they do not use Cree, bridglux, epson, but rather make there own to customers specs. when I was talking to him about trying to get some LEDs on the cheep he asked what Kelvin rating I wanted the output to be and what kind of intensity, as well as a few other questions. well I thought I could just get a few handfulls of Cree's off him so this took me by surprise. so last january when we got togeather for a funeral we talked some more, they do manufacture all there own LEDs and they are used by a lot of the companies in the household lighting area.

anyways the lense on thoes LEDs is what peeked my interest.. it looks like they are using a higher powered LED and actualy dispersing it a bit, which helps to prevent the rainbow effect on a larger fixture.. I am leaning towards the opposit right now trying to see if I can simulate a point sourse that will cover the entire tank with out a lot of drop off on the edges.

Steve

[StirCrazy]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

http://www.3reef.com/forums/orphek-l...us-101843.html

I read that post.. didn't go any farther than the first big discription. he is a salesman and while he isn't totaly BSing he is taking a lot of liberties with the truth. do I believe they make there own.. nope.. they oursourse them to a chineese company as per there specs.. unless they are part of a huge LED conglomerate they wouldnt me able to afford to leeps the lights at a reasonable price with limited runs.

there is a lot of 1/2 truths in that also..and whats the word I am looking for.. where you take something that is normal and make it sound like the newest and greates thing.. ie. them using constant current drivers.

he also talks about spectral shift of an LED.. they don't shift spectrums that is the best thing about them they only dim, and that amout is minimal at there rated life.

Steve

[MMAX]

Originally Posted by philg3

Way to hijack a good thread you two, can we get back to some discussion on LED Color Combo's now that your finished arguing semantics?

I've been looking at the Maxspect Mazarra and its a very intriguing light that allows you to replace LED Chipsets as well as lenses in a plug and play kind of way. The Reef versions comes with :

Cree XML 5w 8500K White
Cree XPG 3w 8500K White
Philips Luxeon Rebel 3w 480nm Blue

Philips Luxeon Rebel 3w 460nm Royal Blue

SIBDI U60 3w 410nm Super Actinic

SIBDI U70 3w 420nm Super Actinic

Pretty impressive line-up of LED's that are controllable through 4 different Channels.

I have one of the SWC Cree Fixtures (pretty much the same as any of the cheap chinese ones) that rocks straight 1:1 ratio of White to Royal Blue. The Color when mixed is okay but i dont know if i like the look of the tank with Royal Blue only. I was looking at a tank that had a few of these chinese fixtures alongside some ATI Blue t5 lamps and the color with both the T5's and the Royal Blue LED's was much nicer.

Problem is I have never seen the light from the straight blue LED's in person, can anyone here give some insight into the color difference between the two different kinds of Blue LED?

My thoughts exactly Phil. I think Mike31154 summed it up best for me in his last post. In the time since I started this thread to now, I've pretty much completed my DIY retrofit. All I wanted to know about was different colors for better coral growth not who's LEDs were best, who's drinkin' the kool aid and what not.

[reefermadness]

Originally Posted by philg3

Way to hijack a good thread you two, can we get back to some discussion on LED Color Combo's now that your finished arguing semantics?

Sorry...I realize we took this thread for a bit of a ride. I hate to get into it but I'm not one to back down. Although I should learn that...