LED Color Combos

[Milad]

Lol much of the kool aid did you drink.
Let's assume for a second the rep knows what he is talking about. If that's the case then this small company is creating "efficient" LEDs that are as efficient as bridgelux LEDs. Bridgelux has probably spent millions apon millions to make their led chips to the efficiency they are. So you are telling me a eBay store (yes these guys were a china drop ship eBay store last year) can compete with the millions bridgelux spends on R&D? Ok

Worse case they make their own chips.

Best case scenario they use someone else's chips and they build their own phosphorus layer and locus which still takes alot of money. The rep could be considering this as their "own diode". If they are doing this. That's great.

None of this really makes a huge effect compared to using other LEDs. The AI sol will grow your SPS just as well.

I deal will sales rep daily and they try to give me kool aid but I say no.

Originally Posted by reefermadness

UMMMM.....Nope...sorry Milad you are wrong.

Here is a statement from their USA/CANADA REP....

"We are the only LED light manufacturer that engineered our own diode. Made specifically for coral reef aquarium lighting, we believe (and have the spectrographic data to prove) that our diode is superior to any other on the market for reef aquarium lighting, and doens't emit 50% of it's output in useless PUR as do Cree diodes!"

Also....

"The components of our lights, from the housing to the diodes themselves, are made by us, for us. There are no cheaply made or mass produced components in any of our products."

http://www.3reef.com/forums/orphek-l...us-101843.html

[mike31154]

Large companies/corporations do not always have the market cornered with respect to innovation & engineering expertise. It appears to me that Orphek has done at least several years of research into their product & from some of the reviews of actual users, the product is very good. After reading the information in the link to 3reef, I'm inclined to believe that a fair bit of effort & useful research has gone into their fixtures. The fact that they do not use Crees or even Bridgelux (which many have scoffed at until recently) may turn some people off, but there is more & more data appearing that shows there are other manufacturers out there producing diodes more than suited to our application. Bottom line appears to be that at the very least they've done extensive research into the colour spectrum required by our livestock & tailored their fixtures to that end.

It's irrelevant where their storefront may have been a year ago. To the best of my knowledge their head office is currently in Brazil, one of the strongest emerging market economies. We need to be careful of our foreign country bashing, particularly China. They have some very intelligent folks over there, just like any country in the world, many of them educated in some of our finest universities. I figure in a decade or two, our complacency & sense of entitlement with our still comfortable standard of living is in for a wake up call from emerging market countries like Brazil, China etc.

[Bblinks]

Originally Posted by mike31154

Large companies/corporations do not always have the market cornered with respect to innovation & engineering expertise. It appears to me that Orphek has done at least several years of research into their product & from some of the reviews of actual users, the product is very good. After reading the information in the link to 3reef, I'm inclined to believe that a fair bit of effort & useful research has gone into their fixtures. The fact that they do not use Crees or even Bridgelux (which many have scoffed at until recently) may turn some people off, but there is more & more data appearing that shows there are other manufacturers out there producing diodes more than suited to our application. Bottom line appears to be that at the very least they've done extensive research into the colour spectrum required by our livestock & tailored their fixtures to that end.

It's irrelevant where their storefront may have been a year ago. To the best of my knowledge their head office is currently in Brazil, one of the strongest emerging market economies. We need to be careful of our foreign country bashing, particularly China. They have some very intelligent folks over there, just like any country in the world, many of them educated in some of our finest universities. I figure in a decade or two, our complacency & sense of entitlement with our still comfortable standard of living is in for a wake up call from emerging market countries like Brazil, China etc.

Couldn't agree more.

[reefermadness]

RE:MILAD

How do I know that it's not you serving up the kool-aid? I guess I'm supposed to believe that you know more about the product than the national rep?

You know companies can get sued for false product claims right. So this guy is a liar and a liability to the company i guess.

I show you a statement from the company...and you give me guesses and opinions....yet I'm to believe the guy who is just guessing he knows the situation.

[Milad]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

RE:MILAD

How do I know that it's not you serving up the kool-aid? I guess I'm supposed to believe that you know more about the product than the national rep?

You know companies can get sued for false product claims right. So this guy is a liar and a liability to the company i guess.

I show you a statement from the company...and you give me guesses and opinions....yet I'm to believe the guy who is just guessing he knows the situation.

Not worth my time to explain it to you. Hopefully someone else has the time to explain.

You probably also think Dell makes that LCD screen that are infront of you right now.

Some reading material for you

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...1856362&page=2

I emailed the company but they only told me that the LEDs they use are big in China, but are not Chinese made. They don't have any fts shots either....

ut we assure you that we are
using the best LED we could find in the market.

Q: What is Orphek’s LED supplier?
A: Every company holds a secrecy policy about suppliers. We are very sorry
but we decided not to give this information for moment.

Simone Shitrit
Customer Assistance & Advisor

Those quotes took about 30sec of Googleing, try it sometime.

[reefermadness]

I can taste the purple drink your trying to give me but I don't want any.

I post a statement direct from the national rep and you give me hearsay (second hand relayed) information that comes from a guy in customer assistance.

Even IF they are using a big LED manufacturer to build their custom emitters I will take you back to my original statement that you disagreed with....

it is there own proprietary LED, that is designed strictly for the purpose of aquarium use.

ANYWAY YOU SLICE IT .....THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT.

Can you say the same for any other LED fixture on the market...I don't think so and surely not Ecotec, AI, and vertex.

Holy LED POLICE.....if I didnt know better I would think you have a vested interest in this conversation for some reason.

[Milad]

Originally Posted by reefermadness

I can taste the purple drink your trying to give me but I don't want any.

I post a statement direct from the national rep and you give me hearsay (second hand relayed) information that comes from a guy in customer assistance.

Even IF they are using a big LED manufacturer to build their custom emitters I will take you back to my original statement that you disagreed with....



ANYWAY YOU SLICE IT .....THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT.

Can you say the same for any other LED fixture on the market...I don't think so and surely not Ecotec, AI, and vertex.

Holy LED POLICE.....if I didnt know better I would think you have a vested interest in this conversation for some reason.

Whats with you an national rep. Im the national rep for stark industries, does that make everything I say true? I deal with these guys on a daily basis and we are talking huge company reps. You have to be careful of their kool aid

I'm not knocking their product. I just don't want you to think "they make thier own led". They might package the actual led in a way that suits reef and the rep probably sells that off as making their own led.

I wasnt even bashing china companies. Some of them are good, most are sketchy at best. They will get better as we go along. Most of them just want your money. What I was pointing out in my previous statement about them drop shipping from china was the fact they probably don't have a large infustructer to actually make that LED.

You are going to see more and more the actual LED isn't going to be what makes or breaks the product. Instead you will see the trend being packaging the LED to be right for the application. By packinging I'm talking about matched optics to LEDs with matched spectrum and locus for the application.

That will be the future and these guys are on the right track but I highly doubt they make their own LEDs and it puts a bad taste In my mouth that their "national rep" or "god" in your beliefs is selling it off like that.

[reefermadness]

The contradictions are endless Milad. I will point out a few....

Originally Posted by reefermadness

it is there own proprietary LED, that is designed strictly for the purpose of aquarium use.

Then...

Originally Posted by Milad

Nope. They use someones chip and adjust it to their liking.

Seems like you said I was wrong and then told me that they have customized an LED for their proprietary use? NO?....which really agrees with what I said originally......head is starting to spin.

Originally Posted by Milad

What these companies do is take a cree chip or a bridgelux or a epistar and package it in a way to sell it.

Can you inform me of other companies doing this?.....Every fixture that I know of uses off the shelf standard LEDs.

Originally Posted by Milad

Worse case they make their own chips.

Best case scenario they use someone else's chips and they build their own phosphorus layer and locus which still takes alot of money. The rep could be considering this as their "own diode". If they are doing this. That's great.

I have already put on the table the option that the national sales rep is lying....but surely not the website as well which states "Our lights are made of the highest quality electronics and optics, using diodes that we designed specifically for reef, corals or planted aquarium lighting solutions". In which case your above statements are still in agreement with mine.

Originally Posted by Milad

None of this really makes a huge effect compared to using other LEDs. The AI sol will grow your SPS just as well.

Total speculation on your part.

Originally Posted by Milad

Not worth my time to explain it to you. Hopefully someone else has the time to explain.

Seems to me you have tons of time to engage in this discussion.

Now here is a big contridicion. You make fun of me for believing a statement made by the national sales rep yet to back up your argument for not believing him you direct me to a hearsay post provided by some user on a forum that wrote an answer from a customer service agent. Head is really spinning now.

Originally Posted by Milad

Whats with you an national rep. Im the national rep for stark industries, does that make everything I say true?

I don't know...are you saying you misrepresent your companies product on purpose to make sales. Sounds like a pretty slimy thing to do.

Originally Posted by Milad

I wasnt even bashing china companies.

And then .....wait for it...wait for it....

Originally Posted by Milad

Some of them are good, most are sketchy at best. They will get better as we go along. Most of them just want your money. What I was pointing out in my previous statement about them drop shipping from china was the fact they probably don't have a large infustructer to actually make that LED.

hahaha.

Ok tp recap...so in the end my statement should remain true about them offering their own proprietary LED, that is designed strictly for the purpose of aquarium use. Also I already put on the table the fact that the national rep lied or misrepresented the product. BUT WE DONT KNOW....and why should I believe you over someone who actually should know something about the product.

[Milad]

I just realized what reefmadnesses problem is. He doesn't know what makes up a LED. If you think my statements contradict then you don't realize what an LED is. I'm sure you are going to go off and Wikipedia led and start copy and pasting but rest assure I won't be coming back to this forum to read this thread.

It also makes me realize that most people mis understand the actual led component so the reps statement make you think it's this magical LED which it's not.