Yet Another Warning

[2pts]

Thank you MMAX.

Try to ignore the people like I quoted.

This one lost all credability by attacking you for sharing your experience, then posted a link to an info search site. When I clicked that link that they provided to debunk you it came up with a big search box which I typed in "dangers of zoanthids".

When searched like that, the first non ad link had this in it...

"Palytoxin is a tumor promoter, and is being studied in relation to signaling pathways in skin cancer genesis.[16] Contrary to common belief, palytoxin can be absorbed through intact skin.[17] The danger of acute poisoning from venomous zoanthids is quite real. An aquarist was poisoned through skin injuries on fingers by a Parazoanthus species, but recovered after 3 days. His zoanthid was found to contain 2-3 milligram of palytoxin per gram.[18] For comparison, the intravenous LD50 dose of palytoxin for a grown man is less than 8 microgram. Thus each gram of the offending zoanthid contained enough venom to kill at least 125 grown men." (sounds safe to me)

So perhaps I am just confused, maybe that poster was arguing to support what you were saying.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/zoanthid#ixzz1bntuPJfq

Originally Posted by daniella3d

I really like it when people point to something without any testing or proof.

You might as well have compressed a nerve or something like that and that's where the tingling and numbness came from. It could have been that you are having other more serious issues with your blood vessel and that might come back, if that's the case. I don't think a left arm going numb has anything to do with zoanthids.

If you do a search in google for numbness left arm you will find a lot of possible reasons, but no zoanthid. I would go see my doctor if I were you...as this can hide something nasty, like an upcoming hearth attack.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_..._left_arm_mean

[HaZRaTTy]

Originally Posted by 2pts

Thus each gram of the offending zoanthid contained enough venom to kill at least 125 grown men." (sounds safe to me)

Lol seems legit -- Only 125?

[2pts]

It's got to be true, it was posted on a wiki site.

[Blom]

Then we come out with the safety of answers.com. Dont poke fun of wiki and then go to answers... better yet dont get your "sound" info from the web. Books are fun too.

Anyways thanks for the tip on the gloves, I will be sure to wear them from here on in.

[daniella3d]

NOw that's funny...first I did not attack anyone, second you posted a link to answer.com...same type of link I just poste that was supposably not good

I do beleive that some parazoanthus (usualy very ugly brown polyps) are carrier of the toxin, however the likehood of finding this in home aquarium is low. Plus those are not really the type of paly that one would want to frag! lol!

If you read, the most severe case of reaction in human was a man trying to boil the ugly paly to get rid of them, not trying to frag them. Here is a chart with the polyps that were found to be carrier:

http://www.plosone.org/article/slide...e.0018235.g002

and the link to the study:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0018235

I just don't beleive that having a left arm go numb would be related to fragging zoanthids. Some people have understanding problem here..I was not saying that the OP was having a heath attack! wow that was funny...but rather that it is a possible causes and that I would go check with a doctor.

I do think that the OP should see a doctor and not take any chance with any possible cause.

Now that's just plain common sense.

Here is another study but I cannot have access to the full thing. Maybe someone here does.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...41010111000109

Originally Posted by 2pts

Thank you MMAX.

Try to ignore the people like I quoted.

This one lost all credability by attacking you for sharing your experience, then posted a link to an info search site. When I clicked that link that they provided to debunk you it came up with a big search box which I typed in "dangers of zoanthids".

When searched like that, the first non ad link had this in it...

"Palytoxin is a tumor promoter, and is being studied in relation to signaling pathways in skin cancer genesis.[16] Contrary to common belief, palytoxin can be absorbed through intact skin.[17] The danger of acute poisoning from venomous zoanthids is quite real. An aquarist was poisoned through skin injuries on fingers by a Parazoanthus species, but recovered after 3 days. His zoanthid was found to contain 2-3 milligram of palytoxin per gram.[18] For comparison, the intravenous LD50 dose of palytoxin for a grown man is less than 8 microgram. Thus each gram of the offending zoanthid contained enough venom to kill at least 125 grown men." (sounds safe to me)

So perhaps I am just confused, maybe that poster was arguing to support what you were saying.


Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/zoanthid#ixzz1bntuPJfq

[howdy20012002]

god I love this site.
it always amazes me how something can get so out of hand.
If you think about it, a box of gloves are cheap.
why take the chance for 20 cents????
scientific proof or not.
just my two cents.

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by howdy20012002

god I love this site.
it always amazes me how something can get so out of hand.
If you think about it, a box of gloves are cheap.
why take the chance for 20 cents????
scientific proof or not.
just my two cents.

worst case scenario it keeps the slime off your hand....best case scenario could save your life.seems like a win win to me as well

[MarkoD]

You believe this and you believe that but you still haven't proven or disproven anything. Op was having symptoms and his theory as to why it happen is way more probable, even without proof. You have 0 facts stating that zoas don't cause tingling in your hand after touching them and that it's only the brown ones.

Originally Posted by daniella3d

NOw that's funny...first I did not attack anyone, second you posted a link to answer.com...same type of link I just poste that was supposably not good

I do beleive that some parazoanthus (usualy very ugly brown polyps) are carrier of the toxin, however the likehood of finding this in home aquarium is low. Plus those are not really the type of paly that one would want to frag! lol!

If you read, the most severe case of reaction in human was a man trying to boil the ugly paly to get rid of them, not trying to frag them. Here is a chart with the polyps that were found to be carrier:

http://www.plosone.org/article/slide...e.0018235.g002

and the link to the study:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0018235

I just don't beleive that having a left arm go numb would be related to fragging zoanthids. Some people have understanding problem here..I was not saying that the OP was having a heath attack! wow that was funny...but rather that it is a possible causes and that I would go check with a doctor.

I do think that the OP should see a doctor and not take any chance with any possible cause.

Now that's just plain common sense.

[daniella3d]

Nothing to disprove it, nothing to prove it either!

One thing is sure, HE SHOULD go see a doctor.

don't you agree?

The problem with this type of thread is that the OP simply assume that it was caused by handling zoanthids and he comes here and say so as if it was the true story, but without having done proper test and having consulted a doctor, it is just pure assumption. This is how myths multiply and survive.

If he go see a doctor and have a blood test done that confirm playtoxin poisoning then it will be proven. Until he does that, no proof and still a possible rick that something else very bad is on its way.

If he touched the zoanthids with his right hand (he probably have)..then why his right arm was not affected as well? sure... I would be more worried that something else might have been the cause.

Originally Posted by MarkoD

You believe this and you believe that but you still haven't proven or disproven anything. Op was having symptoms and his theory as to why it happen is way more probable, even without proof. You have 0 facts stating that zoas don't cause tingling in your hand after touching them and that it's only the brown ones.

[howdy20012002]

+1 for glasses.
I was scrapping an aiptasia off a rock and of all places it landed in my freaking eye.
My eye was red, irrated and hurt like a son of a gun for 3 days.
Looked like I was on a bender and needed to go to AA for a while.