Where dose it come from?

[fishytime]

Originally Posted by reefwars

ummmm ever hear of overfishing....codfish ring a bell???????

cmon Denny you cant really compare a diver with a small net to a commercial troller????

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by fishytime

cmon Denny you cant really compare a diver with a small net to a commercial troller????

thats true, but none the less its foolish to believe that we cant over fish anything, if theres enough demand then there will b e more nets then that will lead to bigger nets then that leads to boats scraping the ocean for as many fish as they can fish in as big of nets as they can make.


besides isnt a trowller just a boat with a very big net catching everything in its path????

[CandyCane]

The entire purpose of this post was for me to learn what exactly is going on considering wildcaught fish, I'm not cheering it on by any means I'm simply learning more and thanks to you guys and your awesome brains are helping to change my opinions. Is that not the point of debates and sharring opinions is to learn an adapt your own?

[reefwars]

Originally Posted by CandyCane

The entire purpose of this post was for me to learn what exactly is going on considering wildcaught fish, I'm not cheering it on by any means I'm simply learning more and thanks to you guys and your awesome brains are helping to change my opinions. Is that not the point of debates and sharring opinions is to learn an adapt your own?

it is indeed , i think the thing to remember here is things ae getting better and if we never had these discussions then the topics wouldnt get as much attention as they do

word of mouth is a powerfull tool to use

(hear that gobytron lol theres what one person can do to save the reefs)

[abcha0s]

"The world's first coral reefs occurred about 500 million years ago, and the first close relatives of modern corals developed in southern Europe about 230 million years ago. By comparison, the Great Barrier Reef is relatively young at just 500,000 years old. The current reef's structure is much younger at less than around 8,000 years old." - Source Google "how old are the coral reefs"

The reefs as we know them will dissapear. Perhaps in our lifetime. Some coral species will survive scattered throughout the ocean and will eventually form new reefs. However, it might be a hundred thousand years or even a million years before we see anything like what we have today.

One perspective that really stuck with me is that we are not killing this planet. The planet will be just fine. What we are killing is our ability to live on this planet.

Evolution will find a way...

- Brad

[intarsiabox]

Originally Posted by abcha0s@conceptaquatics

One perspective that really stuck with me is that we are not killing this planet. The planet will be just fine. What we are killing is our ability to live on this planet.

Evolution will find a way...

- Brad

+1 After we kill ourselves off by our own stupidity the planet will still be here and thriving. It may not be as it is today but the world is ever changing. I think technology has brought a lot of fear to people. Now everything is monitored, probed, tracked, faked and available globally immediately. The problem is that it wasn't before and we have nothing to compare any of the compiled data to. Only a century ago the world was made up of thousands of microcosims were nobody knew anybody else's business. Now we are dealing with living as one big happy family that knows everybody else's business.

[triggereef]

are you gonna stop driving a car? are you gonna stop using lights in your house? are you gonna stop flushing the toilet?

all of these things have a far greater impact on the environment than taking fish or corals from the ocean.

ever heard "theres plenty of fish in the sea"... literally its true

your profile says you're a LFS manager..... how is your store suppose to make money if fish arent gonna be taken from their natural environment?

In my opinion, No one should say that about our oceans. Yeah there might be alot of fish in the ocean, but what about in 5-10 years? How are all the fish supposed to repopulate fast enough to supply our fish tanks. Look at Newfoundland. They had TONS of cod at one point, but over fished it. Guess what? There is none left. There are so many fish stores around the world. Go look at the lists when a store brings in a shipment once a week. Now times that by every single store in the world that brings that many fish in. If we can even make a small impact on this by giving breeders a chance to sell their fish, Then why not? Breeders can harvest tank fulls of fish - Therefore there is that many less fish that have been taken out of the ocean. Seeing as your post gives the impression that "One person can't change the world", I find it a little ridiculous that you won't support something as small as tank raised fish. Just my opinion though.

[MarkoD]

Originally Posted by triggereef

In my opinion, No one should say that about our oceans. Yeah there might be alot of fish in the ocean, but what about in 5-10 years? How are all the fish supposed to repopulate fast enough to supply our fish tanks. Look at Newfoundland. They had TONS of cod at one point, but over fished it. Guess what? There is none left. There are so many fish stores around the world. Go look at the lists when a store brings in a shipment once a week. Now times that by every single store in the world that brings that many fish in. If we can even make a small impact on this by giving breeders a chance to sell their fish, Then why not? Breeders can harvest tank fulls of fish - Therefore there is that many less fish that have been taken out of the ocean. Seeing as your post gives the impression that "One person can't change the world", I find it a little ridiculous that you won't support something as small as tank raised fish. Just my opinion though.

Fishing for food and fishing for saltwater tanks is completely different. There are probably a million times more people that eat fish than there are with saltwater tanks. And I never said I don't support tank raised fish, I actually prefer them and buy them whenever I can(cheaper and better accustomed to tank environment).... But since that's not always an option I also buy wild caught.

What the op said is that she won't buy any fish that isn't tank raised. And yes one person can't change the world. One person not buying wild caught fish won't change anything..... No matter how many people you convince not to buy wild caught fish, it won't change anything, because ultimately those who catch the fish will always profit. What's the longest a fish has ever stayed in a display at a tank? Couple weeks to a month? Someone will always come along and buy it.

Just like those who choose not to eat meat. They haven't changed a single thing.

From a morality standpoint if it makes a person feel good then great. But they probably shouldn't hold their breath expecting someone to breed all the fish they would like to get

[ReefOcean]

Originally Posted by MarkoD

Fishing for food and fishing for saltwater tanks is completely different. There are probably a million times more people that eat fish than there are with saltwater tanks. And I never said I don't support tank raised fish, I actually prefer them and buy them whenever I can(cheaper and better accustomed to tank environment).... But since that's not always an option I also buy wild caught.

What the op said is that she won't buy any fish that isn't tank raised. And yes one person can't change the world. One person not buying wild caught fish won't change anything..... No matter how many people you convince not to buy wild caught fish, it won't change anything, because ultimately those who catch the fish will always profit. What's the longest a fish has ever stayed in a display at a tank? Couple weeks to a month? Someone will always come along and buy it.

Just like those who choose not to eat meat. They haven't changed a single thing.

From a morality standpoint if it makes a person feel good then great. But they probably shouldn't hold their breath expecting someone to breed all the fish they would like to get

The idea inst really to protect individual fish, it is to protect the entire coral reef. Sure, the species in aquariums are not close to being threatened, but harvesting tactics in some countries leave huge dead spots in reefs that have taken thousands, if not million years to develop. You say "somebody will always buy it" but saltwater fish are not black market organs or machine guns. If the demand for wild caught species decreases, then harvesting from the reef will decrease, it is simple economics. America has the most saltwater tanks by far, and I mean BY FAR. If even just Americans turned to purchasing readily available captive bred species from places like ORA, they would reduce the global market for wild caught species by 60 percent. If a few more countries did it like Germany, Australia and Canada, Those numbers would be even greater.

It really isn't a pipe dream, it is very feasible. Not only are captive bred species typical hardier, they are also typically bred closer to the front end customer than where wild caught species originate thus reducing logistics costs.