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04-18-2011, 11:09 PM
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wow...an article with only one source of reference which is a forum message posted by one person?
sure... I touch and frag paly and zoanthids all the time, get slimed all over and never ever had any trace of symptoms from it. I ever keep some very huge paly that came on some liverock and never have any reaction when I touch them. My main passion in coral are zoanthids and paly and I love to collect as many variety as I can... sure.... what ever... Quote:
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04-18-2011, 11:39 PM
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Look at this link, scroll down to second colour pic Do you have any of those outlined in red? http://web.me.com/miseryukyu/MISE@Un...dsetal2011.pdf
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04-19-2011, 12:14 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palytoxin http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/1393.htm http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1804905 now how do you feel about licking your hands after fragging your zoas? dont listen to her, people.......do not mess around.....take precautions or at the very least wash your hands thoroughly.......
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04-19-2011, 12:12 PM
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Licking my hands? now that's really stupid lol! I am not going to go lick my hands if they are covered with contact glue, but will I die if I touch it? of course NOT.
I am not debating that polytoxin does not exist. The links you posted are all about the toxin itself. I was refering to the extremely very rare cases where people have been affected by it. Only one reference which is nothing but a forum thread. Not from a medical journal, not from an hospital, nothing but a forum mention. Will I go licking my hand full of palythoas slime? of course not, this is stupid just to mention it. Will I go dizzy and faint? of course not. I simply use common sense. There are much more dangerous things in a saltwater aquarium than the remote possibility of getting poisoned by palytoxin and die. Yes sure wash your hands... and please send all your deadly zoanthids and paly to me...I collect them. " PlTX and ostreocin-D are much less toxic after oral than after parenteral administration. Acute toxicity and deaths have been reported from human outbreaks, but there are no reliable quantitative data on acute toxicity of PlTX-group toxins in humans." deaths? who exactly died? name? when? where? I never read anything about someone dying from it, except in the ancian art of poisoning the arrows and those were going into the bloodstream. All the people who I have read about supposably getting sick were all ok after a short trip to the hospital. So just tell me who died from it? If there are "deaths" from it, we should at least be able to find one? Quote:
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04-19-2011, 01:09 PM
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yes but Danniella, your basically telling people that because you handle and frag your zoas all the time, so the problem(or potential for a problem) doesnt exist.....and this is irresponsible advice.....I feel that it is better to broad spectrum warm people about the potential for palytoxin poisoning and let them decide how they wanna handle their zoas and palys.....there have been plenty of cases of people getting sick from handling their palys.....now what would have happened if any of these people had an open cut on their hands???......I have been trying to find the thread where a gentleman's dog died after he was fragging palys, but I havnt been able to find it.....and I disagree with your claim that there are worse things then palytoxin in out aquariums.....palytoxin is the second most toxic naturally occurring substance known to man.....I dont think you can get much worse than that, in our aquariums.....(save maybe a blue-ringed octopus)
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04-19-2011, 02:17 PM
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Doug give up....this person is determined on her opinion right or wrong and it is obvious she has the proof too say otherwise...this is not a topic that is debatable. Paly toxin exists. Because it is in the home reef system there is plenty of potential of getting poisoned by it. I don't have a lot of education but hypersensitivity to paly toxin comes with time. One day your immune system goes in to overdrive and you get nuked. In my case the incidents of asthma and body chills occurred within minutes of working close to paly colonies. Clearly an immuogenic response. In this case I was using tweezers to remove some algae off the paly rock. There must have been enough toxin to dispersed into the air to affect me.( the tank was half empty to expose the area I wanted to clean). What the hey, I am stupid enough to get poisoned by Palys twice, who knows I far I can take it.Like I said don't have a lot of smarts so I rely on people's anecdotal nonscientific, non government funded stories about this hobby. Remember DRINK and DRIVE ALWAYS...it is the only way to increase your chances of early expiration. Oh yeah...2-4D is absolutely safe to use never had a problem until I got into my 3rd eye.
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