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Old 04-15-2011, 08:24 PM
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There's not much to a skimmer so yeah most models are pretty comparable in performance, this should not be news to most people. The difference between less and more expensive models is quality, consistency, reliability and efficiency. For instance a cheaper skimmer may require constant adjustment and maintenance to keep it working properly, it may also be louder and use more power. Reliability has also come into play many times in the past, I purchased the ATI when it came out thinking it was the bomb, worked great, was quiet, efficient and half the price of the competition yet it only lasted a few months before the pumps started acting up. Not saying that even the most expensive skimmers don't have the occasional issue but having a reliable company and warranty behind it helps a lot.

So as always purchase a skimmer in your budget but you still do get what you pay for.
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:19 PM
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There's not much to a skimmer so yeah most models are pretty comparable in performance, this should not be news to most people. The difference between less and more expensive models is quality, consistency, reliability and efficiency. For instance a cheaper skimmer may require constant adjustment and maintenance to keep it working properly, it may also be louder and use more power. Reliability has also come into play many times in the past, I purchased the ATI when it came out thinking it was the bomb, worked great, was quiet, efficient and half the price of the competition yet it only lasted a few months before the pumps started acting up. Not saying that even the most expensive skimmers don't have the occasional issue but having a reliable company and warranty behind it helps a lot.

So as always purchase a skimmer in your budget but you still do get what you pay for.

That is a good point. I do not think they looked at quality of construction etc. Although that is all still based on the premise that it is good to have one and if it is then all the stuff you mentioned I also think are important factors. I think oxygenation is another benefit (although you could just set up a waterfall or powerhead to do this) and it does still pull stuff out of the water whether it is as much as we like or not. I dont plan on going skimmerless....

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Old 04-15-2011, 11:35 PM
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I ran a skimmer less tank for many years, now days I'm running a euro reef. Some of the benefits I've seen , are cheaper on salt.. I was doing 50% water changes. Using these numbers from the article 100% organics minus 35% assuming optimal skinner efficiency = 65% minus 15% of that for weekly water change = 55% organics left in the tank. Compared to 50% , doing water changes alone,assuming organics are evenly distributed. Not much difference, but the salt saving will add up over time. As an indirect benefit,I was sump less on the old tank and had a problem with scum build up on the top of the water, so to add the skimmer I had to put in a sump. The overflow took care of the scum problem. If you look at the water clarity issue, doing only water changes once a week. There's a weeks worth of organic build up yellowing the water, with a skimmer you're removing 35% of that on a steady day to day basis , giving you clearer water and better light penetration. As for the price, I always argued with those who swore by Bubble King as the best skimmer. My point was 2 of my Euro Reefs would out skim your Bubble King and still cost less.
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I see your point money pit but as I read the article it differentiates between what a skimmer can remove and the organics that are not possible for a skimmer to remove. I may be wrong in this but I believe the 35 % refers to the part of the whole that it can remove. When talking water changes I assume all organics in the water can be removed. So the percentages would be apples to oranges... I think
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Old 04-16-2011, 12:38 PM
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There isn't anyway to know the amount of organics the skimmer can''t remove so I didn't add it to the equation. But you're right it would make a difference. Think of the build up if you never did water changes, seems kind of nasty.
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