Acan Plus

[Ryan]

Cant we all just get along.

I use your product in my tank and have seen great results with it. I have used Fauna Marin and seen the same results as well. Both good products and its nice to see it locally made.

The problem I have with your write up is this. In one breath you say your not in it for the money.
"My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves."

Yet in another breath you complain about another company trying to copy your product. Of course its going to happen. You think Mr. Ford didnt see it coming with the automobile?

Personally I enjoy sharing information with other hobbyists whether they be someones private tank or major company. It only benefits the hobby when people share their experience, what works for them, what doesnt and so on. Its only when people try to hide what has been working from everyone else that this hobby with fall. Unfortunately I am seeing more and more of it as time goes on. I am not saying go hand your recipe paper out to Fauna or any other company, you have already done that by make your product available to the public.

IMO you should be proud a big company like Fauna Marin sees you as such a big threat they need to try to use your product to sell theirs. Acan Plus has seen such great results with just word of mouth along with posts here from buyers. Why not just enjoy your success instead of complaining?

Not to mention a little competition keeps businesses honest. Put out a good product for a good price and you will reap the rewards. I am sure you know this already with Acan Plus.

Now if this is a shot at someone or someones company maybe you need to take your drama off canreef. We have seen enough of it in the past year to get our fill.

[shiver905]

Id be in,

Knowing a hobbyist made something with their own time is a huge bonus.

I try to buy all by fish "second hand" instead of mass importing form dealers. Just because the lack on control and quality.

Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.
Stores and retailers dont. I dont want to sound harsh, I do respect the fact people have to make $.

Now relating this back to this home made coral food. Manufactures need to make some money. They use fillers weird additives..ect..
Anything that is mass marketed start to loose their quality. (BTW i dont want to start an argument, This is all just My oppnion)

If this homegrown goodness
Id love to try some,
Where do I get this and will it ship to ontario?

[Zoaelite]

The problem with stating an opinion that's wrong on the internet is that it causes people to argue with you... Such opinions that "Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.Stores and retailers dont" belongs in the previously stated wrong opinion folder.

I'm going to bed, erroneous statements make me drowsy.

Originally Posted by shiver905

Id be in,

Knowing a hobbyist made something with their own time is a huge bonus.

I try to buy all by fish "second hand" instead of mass importing form dealers. Just because the lack on control and quality.

Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.
Stores and retailers dont. I dont want to sound harsh, I do respect the fact people have to make $.

Now relating this back to this home made coral food. Manufactures need to make some money. They use fillers weird additives..ect..
Anything that is mass marketed start to loose their quality. (BTW i dont want to start an argument, This is all just My oppnion)

If this homegrown goodness
Id love to try some,
Where do I get this and will it ship to ontario?

[shiver905]

Originally Posted by zoaElite

The problem with stating an opinion that's wrong on the internet is that it causes people to argue with you... Such opinions that "Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.Stores and retailers dont" belongs is the previously stated wrong opinion folder.

I'm going to bed, erroneous statements make me drowsy.

Would you agree the internet is LARGELY baised on opinion?
Youtube, facebook, blogs, even wiki.

Do you agree MOST internet fourms are just people opinions on a subject?

Do you agree the MAJORITY of Canreef Aquatics threads are about asking or giving opinions?

Do you also agree that MOST of these threads have little to no scientific proof or evidence?


I dont mind you calling me out, Im just deadly sick with a cold and dont really feel like typeing nor thinking.

Sorry about your head,
Take an advil.


Cant belive I actually started this, With my 9 post count :P , LOL

[Zoaelite]

I couldn't agree more, the internet is full of peoples opinion.

That's the problem though, If I wanted I could state that my new "Copper lucky charms fish food" is magically delicious and that it will cause your corals to grow 12X faster than anything else on the market. With out proof let alone an ingredient list my opinion could cause someone to try said food only to crash there tank.

Back on topic I have personally used Acan+ with a pretty wicked feeding response, I know you've created a outstanding product James but I'm with Kevin on this one if you lack a label I won't buy your product end of story.

Originally Posted by shiver905

Would you agree the internet is LARGELY baised on opinion?
Youtube, facebook, blogs, even wiki.

Do you agree MOST internet fourms are just people opinions on a subject?

Do you agree the MAJORITY of Canreef Aquatics threads are about asking or giving opinions?

Do you also agree that MOST of these threads have little to no scientific proof or evidence?


I dont mind you calling me out, Im just deadly sick with a cold and dont really feel like typeing nor thinking.

Sorry about your head,
Take an advil.


Cant belive I actually started this, With my 9 post count :P , LOL

Which results though? Again this is the problem with an online forum, everyone keeps stating that it's amazing but no one is backing it with hard proof. There are 100's of people who advocate the use of "Alkaline water" and "Copper Health Bracelets" but that still doesn't turn there pseudoscience into real science.

IMO the results from using acan plus make this product stand out far above the rest.

Why on earth would he give away his trade secrets for others to copy? Company's like KFC are not going to give up their secret ingredients that makes their chicken recipe stand out from the rest so why should he give up his ingredient list. He worked hard on his formula and everyone who has used has had great results with it, personally I don't care what's in it I'm just glad it works as well as it does.

[ScubaSteve]

Hehehe... Dude, you opened a whole can o' worms on this one.

I totally get ya on not wanting to do it for the money and not wanting to post the recipe for the big guys to take. I was in the same situation a year ago with a water desalination technology I developed. I was only doing it to help others, especially those in need. I don't really care about the money. But a very wise business man explained to me that the best way to reach the largest market possible it through a business model where I DO make money (and hopefully a lot of it =P) as I will have the liquidity to drive my prices lower, produce more at a lower cost and reach a larger distribution network. I suggest you do the same... but do it for the love of the hobby and not for the money... make that a focus of your business plan (which you should write up!) and you will set yourself apart from everyone else.

That being said, I understand the arguements that others make about not knowing what goes into it. I specifically have a rule that I don't put anything into my tank that I don't know the ingedients of. This is the reason why I don't use Zeovit. I have no idea what Pohl puts into his magic sauces, so it doesn't touch my tank (especially when he charges a STUPID premium for them). This has actually driven me to research what his ingredients might be and I might actually be creating my own "zeovit" system this summer if I can find the time. Trust is a serious issue in this business, as it is in most industries.

It's tough. You need to find a balance between transparancy (to keep the trust of us scrutinizing customers) and keeping the secret to yourself. If anything else, you should let the product do the talking and people won't care what goes into it... hell, it could be pixie dust and people wouldn't care if it did the trick. Instead of having threads defending your product, have threads that promote it... tried and true testiments to how good it is. For example, I have a Candycane that have been suffering for months and I'm convinced that it's nutrition causing the problem. If I could easily get a hold of your product I'd gladly do a thread doing a trial of Acan+ on my corals and hopefully show a major rebound... problem is, I don't really have the time or money to spend trying to track it down and have it shipped to me (that's just the way customers are, unfortunately)...

Be a business for the common reefer and make the big guys afraid. Find that balance between transparancy and secrets and you'll succeed. Don't be defensive, be offensive.

PM me if you ever wanna talk shop.

Cheers and good luck dude!

[JMes]

Some people have misinterpreted my post and blowing things way out of proportion. I was just asked to respond to Paddyod thread as he had some questions and concerns about the ingredients .http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...550&page=5were
I didn't want to hijack this growth thread, so I opened a new one. There is no bashing of other companies or drama. I was simply answering some questions.
Also some seem to misinterprete my sarcasm with complaining

[paddyob]

Originally Posted by JMes

Some people have misinterpreted my post and blowing things way out of proportion. I was just asked to respond to Paddyod thread as he had some questions and concerns about the ingredients .http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...550&page=5were
I didn't want to hijack this growth thread, so I opened a new one. There is no bashing of other companies or drama. I was simply answering some questions.
Also some seem to misinterprete my sarcasm with complaining

And I appreciate it. Thanks!

I understand that you are worried about your recipe.... but that is what patents are for, are they not?

[Xenia]

I think he was just referring to this post
PaddyOB's Acan Lords ***Growth Tracking w/ Fauna Marin (formerly using Acan Plus)***, but was polite enough not to hijack that thread and posted it elsewhere instead.

It doesn't really sound like he is bashing anybody here, just making a simple statement.

[Zoaelite]

Your being struck with criticism because your circumventing scientific method, what else would you expect besides resistance?

I hate to be critical but I'm confused at the nature of your post, are you trying to inform me about your product or bash the competition? Or both?? (Whats wrong with just getting along?)

Making statements like this:

Wrong. I don't just put anything in my food. Every single ingredient has been
tested extensively for its nutritional value to promote the greatest amount
of growth. Keep in mind that I put the same food I'm selling into my own
tank every day and I am definitely not putting "just anything" in there.

Drive me CRAZY! You're sitting there telling me your food is the best and I should trust you because your test's say so but you won't share your bloody tests! What is "extensive testing" and would you please also elaborate when you state:

It took me a long time to find out what the corals prefer to eat, which
ingredient entices them or stimulates their growth.

If you want Acan+ to stand out from the rest it's going to require some transparency and your current excuse for a blank ingredient list isn't cutting it. If Fauna Marine truly wants to steal your ingredient list let them, you already stated you don't do this for the money so clearly they can't compete with your prices.